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Religious Rebuttals Needed

KNOW THESE FACTS?

I 'm SURE you don't know till now!

Death is certain but the Bible speaks about untimely death!

Make a personal reflection about this.....
Very interesting, read until the end.....

It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7):

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth,that shall he also reap.

Here are some menand women who mocked God :

John Lennon (Singer):
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain.
Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966).

Lennon,after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil ):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency.

Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died .
Cazuza (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet):

During A show in Canecio ( Rio de Janeiro ), while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: "God, that's for you."

He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible manner.

The man who built the Titanic

After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be.
With an ironic tone he said:
"Not even God can sink it"

The result:I think you all know what happened to the Titanic

Marilyn Monroe (Actress)

She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show.
He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus".

A week later, she was found dead in her apartment

Bon Scott (Singer)
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
"Don't stop me, I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell".

On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

Campinas (IN 2005)
In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend.....
The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:

"My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.."
She responded: "Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here.....It's Already Full "

Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.

The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken ..

Christine Hewitt (Jamaican Journalist and entertainer)
Said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written.

In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle ..

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus.

Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive ..

"Jesus"







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Re: Religious Reubttals Needed

i got this as a forward and i don't know why but it really pissed me off. help me out here guys!

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What do you need help with?
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you don't know why it pissed you off?
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The Joker called. He wants his font back
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you don't know why it pissed you off?
yes. i hate over religious people who send me forwards like these when i've already told them to stop. If I could have an argument (i.e religious people who died a gross death) it would be great, but i dont know anyone as such.

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If the senders of these chain mails need to use scare tactics to try and convince you that someone up there exists, doesn't that say enough as it is?

And if your life were gold, how long do you think you'd stay living?
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If the senders of these chain mails need to use scare tactics to try and convince you that someone up there exists, doesn't that say enough as it is?
oh yeah, i never thought of it like that. but it's not about that! i want to tell them that the reasoning is pretty stupid.

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Well really, the people that say things about Christianity which the church doesn't approve of and are still alive far outweighs the other end. I'd put down their deaths to be nothing related to what they said about God or Jesus. The president may have been old and was on his way out, Titanic was because of an iceberg, Marilyn Monroe was on drugs anyway.

This is so stupid, can't you see it's pointless? Nothing they say will change your viewpoint, and nothing you say will change theirs.

And if your life were gold, how long do you think you'd stay living?
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Voltaire frequently mocked religion, lived to a ripe old age and was famous as all get out.

I suppose some bad stuff happened to him too.

Basically, though this is very typical shabby reasoning. Cherry picking a few cases like this proves nothing--sure, there are plenty of people who have not been Christians and have had bad things happen to them. But so what? Take a list of Christian saints and notice how many of them died awful, rotten, horrific deaths that you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, yet supposedly they're being rewarded somehow for their faith.

One might also ask why these alleged nonbelievers were singled out for punishment, and why God is so insecure about his own existence.

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Voltaire frequently mocked religion, lived to a ripe old age and was famous as all get out.

I suppose some bad stuff happened to him too.

Basically, though this is very typical shabby reasoning. Cherry picking a few cases like this proves nothing--sure, there are plenty of people who have not been Christians and have had bad things happen to them. But so what? Take a list of Christian saints and notice how many of them died awful, rotten, horrific deaths that you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, yet supposedly they're being rewarded somehow for their faith.

One might also ask why these alleged nonbelievers were singled out for punishment, and why God is so insecure about his own existence.
Yeah, a rational person has to wonder why Christians would try to literally scare the hell out of people. If Christ's love and sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning death on the cross isn't enough, God coming down from heaven and heaving a lightning bolt right through the chest of Marilyn Manson ain't gonna do it, either.

There's actually a place for that approach, but it ain't in chain e-mails, which I detest under ANY circumstances anyway.

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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Coincidences/Bullshit (that trunk one )

I'm sure there are also thousands of examples of people who said some religious made-phrase and then shortly after got murderered/died in a horrible way.


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Coincidences/Bullshit (that trunk one )

I'm sure there are also thousands of examples of people who said some religious made-phrase and then shortly after got murderered/died in a horrible way.
No doubt.

Like for instance: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Yeah, a rational person has to wonder why Christians would try to literally scare the hell out of people.
In the Middle Ages, this was half of the tactic used by the European aristocracy to keep the serfs in line. (The other half being the promise of paradise in the next life if they did STFU and go along with their virtual slavery "in this life").

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If Christ's love and sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning death on the cross isn't enough...
If Jesus arose 2 days after his crucifixion and ascended to Heaven a few days after that (where "He" continues to perform divine functions nearly 2,000 years later) I don't see how one could call "His" choosing to experience a few hours of torture such a big sacrifice. (And if "He" was a divine being, "He" may not even have experienced pain the way an ordinary person with no choice in the matter would have).
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and why God is so insecure about his own existence.
That is what I never got. Somewhere in the Bible it says God is a jealous god. Jealous of what? And one of the Commandments is: Thou shall have no other Gods before me. Who are these other gods? I thought there was only one. What does He have to care so much about, if you don't believe in Him he can just shrug His shoulders and say "Well, your loss." God has got serious issues, and is a killer, too. The thread starter's list proves that. God seems like a jealous lover who when you stop seeing him, he stalks and kills you. Its not a good personality trait in human, it sure isn't one for someone who is suppose to better than us.

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