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Republicans SKIP Debates Organized by Black & Hispanic Voters

Debate over decision to skip minority forum
Move could affect GOP candidates' appeal to minority, independent voters
By Michael Cooper

Updated: 7:45 a.m. ET Sept 27, 2007


As the Democrats debated last night in New Hampshire, a debate broke out about the decision of the leading Republican presidential hopefuls to skip a televised forum tonight that focuses on issues important to black and Hispanic voters.

None of the leading Republican candidates plan to attend the forum, which the television host Tavis Smiley will moderate at Morgan State University in Maryland and which will be broadcast live on public television. All the leading Democratic candidates attended a similar debate moderated by Mr. Smiley in June at Howard University in Washington.

Instead of attending the televised forum, which has been in the works for months, Rudolph W. Giuliani and Mitt Romney are scheduled to be in California, Fred D. Thompson in Tennessee and Senator John McCain in New York.

“I’m very disappointed by it,” said Michael Steele, the chairman of Gopac, an organization that tries to groom Republican candidates, who said he had spent months trying to have all the candidates to attend the forum. “The hope was that it would be a chance for these guys to get out there and have a direct conversation with African-Americans and minorities across the country and lay out their vision. None of the leading Republican candidates plan to attend the forum, which the television host Tavis Smiley will moderate at Morgan State University in Maryland and which will be broadcast live on public television. All the leading Democratic candidates attended a similar debate moderated by Mr. Smiley in June at Howard University in Washington.

Mr. Steele said that shunning the debate could not only harm the party’s prospects with black voters, but with independent voters, as well.

“It doesn’t help,” said Mr. Steele, who became the first African-American to win statewide office in Maryland when he was elected lieutenant governor. “It’s hard enough as a black Republican to stand up in the community and say, ‘Trust me, these guys really do care,’ and then, when given the opportunity to show that, these folks don’t see the follow-through.”

A Republican debate on Univision, the Spanish-language television network, was canceled this month because Mr. McCain was the only leading candidate to agree to attend. (The top Democratic candidates, by contrast, did debate on the network.)

The decision to skip the forum tonight was criticized in an editorial in The Washington Times, a conservative-leaning newspaper, that said, “It is striking that the Republican front-runners believe that some run-of-the mill fund-raiser is more important than building up their relationships with black and Hispanic voters, groups who flock to the Democratic Party in droves.”

Donald E. Scoggins, the president of Republicans for Black Empowerment, a national group, said he hoped that the furor caused by the decisions to skip the debates would persuade the leading candidates to find another forum to address black voters.

“We feel that they’re losing a great opportunity to bring to the black community views that we feel, if they were aired, would go a long way toward dispelling the myths involving Republicans and the black community,” Mr. Scoggins said.

And he said he worried that if the Republican Party did not adapt it would find itself increasingly out of step with the changing demographics of the nation.

“I feel that the Republicans cannot continue to send subliminal massages to the base when it comes to dealing with race,” Mr. Scoggins said.

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they won't risk the fallout from their core constituents.

unwritten Repub. strategy for years ...

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Not surprising in the least. All they're doing is catering to their base and they fear if they openly try to attract Blacks and other minorities they'll alienate their base. This is why when Bush or other Republicans talk about how much they care about "all" Americans I laugh.


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Not surprising in the least. All they're doing is catering to their base and they fear if they openly try to attract Blacks and other minorities they'll alienate their base. This is why when Bush or other Republicans talk about how much they care about "all" Americans I laugh.


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With the changing demographics of America how long do they think that strategy will continue working? I see 2008 election as the deciding year!

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Not surprising in the least. All they're doing is catering to their base and they fear if they openly try to attract Blacks and other minorities they'll alienate their base. This is why when Bush or other Republicans talk about how much they care about "all" Americans I laugh.


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how does the "popular press" let this consistently slide?

at some point some brave soul has to ask the Repubs. why they avoid minority debates and ... are the immigrant issues they seem so concerned about just a front for maintaining a favored ethnic ratio?

they are skilled politicos all, i don't expect any honest revelations, but their responses will provide a base to evaluate what is clearly racial motivations.

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how does the "popular press" let this consistently slide?

at some point some brave soul has to ask the Repubs. why they avoid minority debates and ... are the immigrant issues they seem so concerned about just a front for maintaining a favored ethnic ratio?

they are skilled politicos all, i don't expect any honest revelations, but their responses will provide a base to evaluate what is clearly racial motivations.
I think the answer is clear. They see no political benefit in spending resources on a group that votes 90% Democrat. It's much like the Dems refusing to appear on the forum that was supposed to be held on Fox News (which was put together by the Congressional Black Caucus, by the way) The Dems are catering to their base and their base is very anti Fox. Therefore what's the upside for them?

Do you honestly think that Republican positions are going to gain a majority of Black American votes in the near future? I don't.
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they won't risk the fallout from their core constituents.

unwritten Repub. strategy for years ...
Agreed. It's still amazing that they think race/ethnic minorities issues are not important enough to discuss.
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I think the answer is clear. They see no political benefit in spending resources on a group that votes 90% Democrat. It's much like the Dems refusing to appear on the forum that was supposed to be held on Fox News (which was put together by the Congressional Black Caucus, by the way) The Dems are catering to their base and their base is very anti Fox. Therefore what's the upside for them?

Do you honestly think that Republican positions are going to gain a majority of Black American votes in the near future? I don't.
yes Hippity we all can reasonably divine their reasons.(read the thread)

they should be asked to publicly state the reasons or their political rationalizations for their strategy. its ok to ask questions even when yah know the truth.

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It's September 2007.
They have had numerous debates so far, and the best ratings barely
get 1 million, most are far below that. 99 9/10% of America isn't watching and
doesn't care too much - it's over a year away. We're burning out on this already.
It should matter because of the early primaries - as everyone wants to matter.

But, for the Democrats it is a done deal already.

Hillary has it wrapped up save for a couple of states.


The GOP candidates need to lock up a few key early states. It's Florida,
Ohio, etc., that matter for them right now, and not a selective forum held by
a particular group and tv host that is historically anti-Republican. That's
not a reason to go there to be smeared and bashed for the top candidates.

Rudy and Romney and others are worried about winning the early primaries right now,
not cowtailing to specific interest groups that historically do not vote Republican,
at a show with Smiley who is pro-Democratic all the way. I watch his show, he is.
He's pleasant about it though.

Rudy, Romney, McCain, and Thompson - all working for the key primary states in the early
spring. That's their main goal right now. I hope anyone by Rudy comes out on top for the
#1 slot. I just can't see myself voting for him. But, given the Hillary or Rudy choice, it
would be the lesser or two evils only....
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With the GOP it's always been about race.That's one of the reasons they're opposed to S-CHIP. It's healthcare for mostly minority kids. If it were going to middle class/upper middle class white kids, they would be all for it.

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Colin Powell and Condi Rice both have been insulted and slammed by Julian Bond,
Sharpton, Belafonte, NAACP, etc., for years and years as being house slaves,
bootlickers, etc., for not embracing 100% the Democratic Party policy book and
the way of the left.

Bush has been slammed for being anti-black and anti-hispanic, even though the
guy as Governor appointed more hispanics and blacks to top positions with power,
garnered nearly 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas twice, appointed blacks and hispanics
to positions of power as President (more than Clinton or Carter or his father), and
nominated many minorities to the courts.

Only to have them called not hispanic enough, as with Miguel Estrada, or not
understanding the black community, even if they were black.


The top GOP candidates want primary votes in specific states - that's what they need
to get first & foremost. Without that, they're cooked. HIllary has it wrapped up, she
doesn't care where talks right now. Anywhere or nowhere is fine w/her.



Before Katrina hit, he was the one who had to beg Nagin and Blanco to call for
mandatory evacuations, they both stalled, especially Nagin. In 6 1/2 years in office
he has increased entitlement program funding for minorities in most programs,
which is why many fiscal conservatives are furious with him. No Child Left Behind,
huge education budget boost for inner city schools, etc. For what? To be called
racist as Governor and as President. The entire party is slimed that way day after
day....without merit. For that, the candidates are supposed to rush to a debate they
will be slammed at befor they enter the room? Why bother.



All the GOP candidates will do BET tv or Tavis in person one on one, or Oprah, or
local interviews, as well as all the top hispanic tv and radio outlets, that works
better.


Doing a tv ad in between local hispanic telenovelas, will get you more attention from
the Hispanic community, than a PBS forum that about 900,000 people will watch nationwide.
Doing a sit down interview with Ebony magazine or the Sentinel will get you more attention
and time than talking to Tavis on PBS on a fake debate forum.
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Colin Powell and Condi Rice both have been insulted and slammed by Julian Bond,
Sharpton, Belafonte, NAACP, etc., for years and years as being house slaves,
bootlickers, etc., for not embracing 100% the Democratic Party policy book and
the way of the left.

Bush has been slammed for being anti-black and anti-hispanic, even though the
guy as Governor appointed more hispanics and blacks to top positions with power,
garnered nearly 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas twice, appointed blacks and hispanics
to positions of power as President (more than Clinton or Carter or his father), and
nominated many minorities to the courts.

Only to have them called not hispanic enough, as with Miguel Estrada, or not
understanding the black community, even if they were black.


The top GOP candidates want primary votes in specific states - that's what they need
to get first & foremost. Without that, they're cooked. HIllary has it wrapped up, she
doesn't care where talks right now. Anywhere or nowhere is fine w/her.



Before Katrina hit, he was the one who had to beg Nagin and Blanco to call for
mandatory evacuations, they both stalled, especially Nagin. In 6 1/2 years in office
he has increased entitlement program funding for minorities in most programs,
which is why many fiscal conservatives are furious with him. No Child Left Behind,
huge education budget boost for inner city schools, etc. For what? To be called
racist as Governor and as President. The entire party is slimed that way day after
day....without merit. For that, the candidates are supposed to rush to a debate they
will be slammed at befor they enter the room? Why bother.



All the GOP candidates will do BET tv or Tavis in person one on one, or Oprah, or
local interviews, as well as all the top hispanic tv and radio outlets, that works
better.


Doing a tv ad in between local hispanic telenovelas, will get you more attention from
the Hispanic community, than a PBS forum that about 900,000 people will watch nationwide.
Doing a sit down interview with Ebony magazine or the Sentinel will get you more attention
and time than talking to Tavis on PBS on a fake debate forum.
So I guess JC Watts, Michael Steele, and Newt Gingrich are all wrong then?

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However, Steele is right, and I'm glad he tried to get something going to include the GOP top candidates.
This was just not the right set of forums. He should keep at it. The RNC was wrong not to hire Steele as
the top guy. Instead, it went for Mel Martinez. Which shows you which minority group the GOP is trying
to get an inroad with. I like Steele, I hope he runs for another office again, he came close considering
he was running against a big name guy.
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No. Who said they were wrong? I just think the top GOP candidates are looking for primary votes in
specific states first & foremost right now. They need to secure wins in early states. All of them.

They should create their own forums to speak to minority groups, that are at least more friendly.
This forum was not going to be. With the also-rans it came across okay. That's a far cry from
hitting Rudy or McCain hard w/questions and insults.

Why take time right now in a crunch time in a few states, to do a forum that is almost set up to
slam them from top to bottom?

Newt is a jerk. He wants to enter, and knows he has zero shot, but, it's an ego thing with him.
He's mad Fred Thompson is doing what he wants to be doing right now - running, with a top spot in
his grasp, late in the game.


Political fiscal genius. Give him that. Personally, he makes Rudy look like a choir boy. He's
running right now w/o being announced. J.C. Watts - he left Congress long ago, and he should have
stayed. Stuck to his promise though not to be a lifer there. Still, I'd rather he was in elected
office, rather than commenting on it. What's he going to say? The NAACP and such groups slammed
him regularly while he was in office.
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