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Judge rules students can wear 'Hitler youth' buttons to protest school uniform policy

Interesting case.

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Judge rules students can wear 'Hitler youth' buttons to protest school uniform policy

NEWARK, New Jersey - Two New Jersey students can wear buttons featuring a picture of Hitler youth to protest a school uniform policy, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr. sided with the parents of the students, who had been threatened with suspension last fall for wearing the buttons. However, the judge added in his ruling that the boys will not be allowed to distribute the buttons at school.

Citing a 1969 case in Iowa involving students who wore black arm bands to protest the Vietnam War, Greenaway wrote that "a student may not be punished for merely expressing views unless the school has reason to believe that the speech or expression will 'materially and substantially disrupt the work and discipline of the school.'"

The local Bayonne school district instituted mandatory uniforms last year for students from kindergarden through eighth grade. The buttons bear the words "no school uniforms" with a slash through them superimposed on a photo of young boys wearing identical shirts and neckerchiefs. There are no swastikas visible on the buttons, but the parties agreed that they depict members of Hitler youth.

After the suspension threat, the boys' parents filed a federal lawsuit claiming the district stifled the children's First Amendment free speech rights.
District lawyers asserted that the image of the Hitler youth was abhorrent because it conveyed intolerance and racial inequality represented by Nazism.

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My kinda of freedom of speech.

Especially the omission of the swastikas

Love it even more than General Be-tray-us
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After the suspension threat, the boys' parents filed a federal lawsuit claiming the district stifled the children's First Amendment free speech rights.
What an excellent example to set for their children in dealing with authority.
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What an excellent example to set for their children in dealing with authority.
Just because you prigs would kick a kid out of school for wearing a button that said The Queen is a Whore.
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What an excellent example to set for their children in dealing with authority.
Beats the hell out of mindless obedience.

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Beats the hell out of mindless obedience.
Indeed.

However, I doubt that is the lesson these children are going to learn from this particular episode.
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Oh and *JR* I think you'll find the Queen gets more respect outside of England than she does in it.

Though personally I have no strong feelings for or against her.
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So do these children share Hitler's views or are they attempting to equate the uniforms with Naziism? If it's the latter, they should find a better way to protest than displaying such hate. If it's the former, may they burn in hell.


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Beats the hell out of mindless obedience.
listen if parents cared half as much about the EDUCATION their children are getting instead of what they wearing, the newark and nyc school system might not be the worthless pots of shit they are now.

yes i am saying that this is a waste of time, money and resources. wear the damn uniform and if you want to wear your own shit: do your work so that school systems dont have to resort to such things to get you to do your do! lazy bastards.

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My kinda of freedom of speech.

Especially the omission of the swastikas

Love it even more than General Be-tray-us
Your lieberterian ideologies sometimes are baffling and scary.

Why can't they be like normal kids and wear the uniforms sloppy.

I think some parents get a satisfaction of not having to worry about their kids getting beat up for wearing the latest fashion while coming home from school.

Why does there have to be a fight for everything in this country.

It's not mindless obedience, it's just practical.

Maybe a more sensible fight might have been something that would have been an investment in a child's education, like up-to-date textbooks.

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But they are wearing the uniforms just with "a little flair".

Without the swastikas you have to bring a little perspicacity to the situation to even get their point, seems like their point is even a little complex for some of the posters in this thread.


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But they are wearing the uniforms just with "a little flair".

Without the swastikas you have to bring a little perspicacity to the situation to even get their point, seems like their point is even a little complex for some of the posters in this thread.

As for the personal commentary, save it for someone who cares loser.
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I never called you anything in that post.
Maybe it has some truth to it though. Maybe it hit a nerve.

Then again if you weren't trying to fuck every bimbo you saw at the local universidad, you might be able to think straight.

It has nothing to do with being complex.
Maybe since you're use to rebelling just for the hell of it, you get these kids.
But this is not something to rebel about.
This is not going to start a path to nazism just because these kids are wearing uniforms.

These kids should be worrying about their NHS buttons than this.
People who want to be that different at this stage of their life are the ones who think that high school happens the best years of their life which is .
It's not like something like this is stifling their creativity.

Look at Tina Fey.
A women who wore uniforms most of her life, one who never really went out the box during this phase in her life.
She's now one of the funniest women in the business.

You showed solidarity for the kids in Jena 6.
What about the solidarity for a better society?

How do you think a poor kid feels about uniforms?
Many times it's a chance to fit in.
Even a kid showing "a little flair" can feed into an insecurity that poor kid has at vulnerable time in their life.
Maybe since you haven't been there you don't get that.

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I'm rather torn on the issue of school uniforms but I don't have a problem with students expressing themselves in this manner.

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I'm rather torn on the issue of school uniforms but I don't have a problem with students expressing themselves in this manner.
I agree. The state lawyers' response that 'they are encouraging racism and hate' or whatever is ridiculous. Either they didn't get the point, or they are really taking people for mentally retarded. Agreed with them or not, they have the right to express their opinions, and they used those Nazi uniforms to stress (in their opinion) on the negativity of uniforms so clearly Nazism here is used in a negative connotation. Unless ofcourse if some people want to sanction Nazi imagery however it's used (which would be ridiculous).
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I find it repulsive that people would NOT find it inappropriate for them to protest school uniforms by displaying the creation of a man responsible for millions of deaths.


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