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America - a nation of winners and losers

Is that what's wrong with America? Obviously America is very materialistic and has high inequality, a lethal combination, but why are they so desperate to divide people into winners and losers. No other country does this, although Britain is pretty sh*t itself, it can be no surprise that the US remains so socially divided and that so little is done to remedy this.

Will it ever change? And will the rest of the world soon follow suit. After all, America today is the rest of the world tomorrow.
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gawd its bad but its not as bad as u describe it to be.

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This is silly. One of the reasons why so many people want to get to America is because it's one of the few places in the world if not the only place where you really can rise above your circumstances.

Is it easy? Nope! But when has life ever been easy?
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I think it's because of the mentality of American culture. Lots of people, from all backgrounds and all walks of life, like to ignore inequalities, institutional discrimination, prejudice etc once they've made it. I think this is because for a lot of those people to acknowledge the reality of those things would require them to challenge their own status and position in the scheme of things. Most Americans still believe that if you work hard enough, you can make it and that if you don't make it then it's your own fault for whatever reason. I'm not sure I disagree with that statement in general, but such a blanket belief in a statement like that blinds us all to the realities that some people don't have much of a chance to begin with.

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Please America rocks.

In the UK there is more of a "loser mentality" IMO because of the class system.

Bill Clinton was a son of a piece of shit alcoholic and became the Prez.

My family has gone from Slavery to Farmers to Bootleggers to College Students to (that would be me the height of evolution) and most of this evolution happened in the racist South.

Winners and Losers are self defined in this country. You can be a happy dirt farming hippie and be a winner. You can be a famous trust fund heir and be a loser.

G-d Bless America!!!
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Please America rocks.

In the UK there is more of a "loser mentality" IMO because of the class system.

Bill Clinton was a son of a piece of shit alcoholic and became the Prez.

My family has gone from Slavery to Farmers to Bootleggers to College Students to (that would be me the height of evolution) and most of this evolution happened in the racist South.

Winners and Losers are self defined in this country. You can be a happy dirt farming hippie and be a winner. You can be a famous trust fund heir and be a loser.

G-d Bless America!!!

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Please America rocks.

In the UK there is more of a "loser mentality" IMO because of the class system.

Bill Clinton was a son of a piece of shit alcoholic and became the Prez.

My family has gone from Slavery to Farmers to Bootleggers to College Students to (that would be me the height of evolution) and most of this evolution happened in the racist South.

Winners and Losers are self defined in this country. You can be a happy dirt farming hippie and be a winner. You can be a famous trust fund heir and be a loser.

G-d Bless America!!!
But surely you only have a chance of becoming president in America today if you have vast amounts of money?

America is not a meritocracy because of this reason...GW Bush!! Who got where he was through nepotism and obscene amounts of money, and an absolute total lack of merit.

All that said, no, I dont think America is THAT bad, its too easy to blame America for well, pretty much everything, and sometimes people should look closer to home.

I dont think America is the greatest country in the world, it has many problems, and can infuriate us looking on...but its has its good side, its positive side, a lot of great people, amazing places...so once in a while it deserves to be given a little credit for that.

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why are Euro peons so mesmerized by the US?

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Its partly because America today is the most powerful, influential country, and what happens there, good and bad has a profound effect on everyone.

Like I said, as a Brit Ive]been raised on American pop culture almost as much as you have, we see most of your TV, movies, sports, and in general I love them. I just think America is a mixture of good and bad like most other places...not uniquely good or uniquely bad as some people would have you believe.

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Is that what's wrong with America? Obviously America is very materialistic and has high inequality, a lethal combination, but why are they so desperate to divide people into winners and losers.
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although Britain is pretty sh*t itself, it can be no surprise that the US remains so socially divided and that so little is done to remedy this.
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Is that what's wrong with America? Obviously America is very materialistic and has high inequality, a lethal combination, but why are they so desperate to divide people into winners and losers. No other country does this, although Britain is pretty sh*t itself, it can be no surprise that the US remains so socially divided and that so little is done to remedy this.

Will it ever change? And will the rest of the world soon follow suit. After all, America today is the rest of the world tomorrow.

And the rest of the world is much better..? Please take off you rose colored glasses! The rest of the world is as messed up as America, even more so in some cases. If that weren't so there wouldn’t be so much negative shit happening on a daily basis. People from other countries like to spout the elitist crap like America is some vast cesspool of depravity. No so! Americans like to apologize too much because they feel not having centuries of history have made them less . Especially when they are compared to those who can name their ancestors to the beginning of time and their buildings to when God first made the earth makes them feel they have to be apologetic. We need to cut out the elitist crap talk and recognize we are all in the same bloody mess! Other countries are just a materialist as America, of course most of the citizenry of other countries do not have the wealth to be so blatant as Americans. If they had the wealth one would be hard pressed not to see materialism vulgarly displayed everywhere. Why does Europe have so many bloody drafty castles that Europeans are so proud of? Blatant wealth was used to create those monstrosities that are now revered and called beautiful! China and Dubai among other countries are currently hell bent on proving to rest of us that they can create their own monstrosities in the name of progress. American's are no more greedy than people of other countries, it just happens that they have stolen enough, conquered enough and earned enough to give them the enviable position of rabid materialist consumers.

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America is? was the greatest country on earth...sorry commies

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Re: America - a nation of winners and losers

I think this is an interesting topic, but ofcourse it's not surprising the way it has turned. I do believe that individualism (I'm not sure if materialism would be the right word. It would be silly to think that Americans are more materialist than other people. Everyone cares a lot about the bucks) plays a more important role in US society than in other Western and non-Western societies, and it's up to each person to see whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

There's definitely a lot of importance given to personal acheivement, and from my experience, it is a very major factor in how society judges individuals, more so than in other places.
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