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Unhappy Israeli 'neo-Nazi gang' arrested

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Last Updated: Sunday, 9 September 2007, 11:30 GMT (BBC)


The gang photographed themselves doing Nazi salutes

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Israeli police say they have broken up a gang of neo-Nazis who are accused of carrying out attacks on foreigners, gay people and religious Jews.

The eight suspects, aged 16-21, are all Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union. They were arrested a month ago, but the news only emerged on Saturday.

Police say searches of their homes yielded Nazi uniforms, portraits of Adolf Hitler, knives, guns and TNT.

Israel was founded in the wake of the Nazi Holocaust in which millions died.

The arrests follow a year-long inquiry which began after a synagogue in Petah Tikva, a city east of Tel Aviv, was desecrated with graffiti of Nazi swastikas and the name of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

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The eight accused, who include the group's alleged leader, are all from Petah Tikva.

The gang members sported tattoos popular with white supremacists - including the number 88, code for Heil Hitler because "H" is the eight letter of the alphabet.

"We believe that this is the main gang working in the area... the main gang that exists [in Israel] that attempts to use Hitler's ideology," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AFP news agency.

Police say the gang members would target homosexuals, Jews who wore a skull cap and drug addicts, often video taping their attacks.

"It is difficult to believe that Nazi ideology sympathisers can exist in Israel, but it is a fact," Revital Almog, the police official who led the investigation, told Israeli public radio.

The suspects, all from Petah Tiqva, have admitted assaulting a number of people in Tel Aviv, most of them foreign workers.

Ms Almog said that the gang would pick on someone who appeared unable to defend themselves and then attack.

They often filmed or photographed the violence.

Footage of the attacks show people lying on the ground whilst being kicked by more than one assailant.

In one clip a man is hit around the back of the head with a bottle.

According to the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz one video shows gang members surrounding a Russian drug addict as he admits to being a Jew.

The youths then order him onto his knees to beg for forgiveness for being Jewish and a drug addict before viciously beating not only him, but also another man who tries to intervene.

The suspects all migrated to Israel under the Law of Return which allows anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent to become a citizen.

Ms Almog said of the accused, "their connection to Judaism is distant, through grandparents or distant family connections".
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The eight suspects, aged 16-21, are all Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union.
Why am I not surprised?

This is sickening that they actually got into Israel.

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I was just coming to NT to post this story.

Neo-Nazis in Israel

I don't like their "life expectancy" chances.
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I'm not totally surprised. I once chatted with a rabbi on the internet (at least that's what he said) and he told me that Hitler did the Holocaust to get rid of the bad Jews. Just to point out that, yes, neo-Nazis exist everywhere even where you wouldn't expect them.
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I just posted another thread about this. Oops.

Given human psychology, I'm not totally surprised. After all, something turned Clarence Thomas against his own people. The same thing could turn Jews into Nazis.

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If they were going to try get a Nazi movement going, they couldn't pick a more daunting location than Israel. While I'm disgusted by their politics, I'm amazed by their optimism. Did they really expect Nazism to have broad appeal in Israel? Didn't they conduct a demographic assessment before they launched their project? They should have considered something with a better chance of success, like say....selling encyclopedias door-to-door.

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It's like trying to sell a date-rape drug at a women's shelter.

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Given human psychology, I'm not totally surprised. After all, something turned Clarence Thomas against his own people. The same thing could turn Jews into Nazis.
Yes they are are Israelis, but lets not over look the fact that they are foreign born which explains their mentality as far as I am concerned. I'm not saying that born Israelis can't be neo-nazis, but these young men came into the country with a totally different mentality I guess they thought they could ger away with it ehh?


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I think people are missing the point. Yes, there are self-hating jews but that's not really the case here. No where does it say this group is jewish. They only got into Israel because of the Law of Return which requires a single Jewish relative to qualify.

It only means one thing, Israel really needs to take a careful look at the people they allow in with the Law of Return especially from countries like Russia where there's poverty and where people are desperate to come to an advanced country like Israel.

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I think people are missing the point. Yes, there are self-hating jews but that's not really the case here. No where does it say this group is jewish. They only got into Israel because of the Law of Return which requires a single Jewish relative to qualify.

It only means one thing, Israel really needs to take a careful look at the people they allow in with the Law of Return especially from countries like Russia where there's poverty and where people are desperate to come to an advanced country like Israel.
Whether they're Jewish or not it's really sick. From the article it said that at least one grandparent has to be Jewish which means it still self hate. If this wasn't so serious you could put these people on "dumb criminals".

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Whether they're Jewish or not it's really sick. My question to you is Israel in the habit of importing non-Jewish Russians?
Yes, unfortunately. There are things I don't want to say but all I'll say is that Israel really needs to look into this.

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Yes, unfortunately. There are things I don't want to say but all I'll say is that Israel really needs to look into this.
I edited my previous post where it said that at least one grandparent had to be Jewish. That is still self-hate.

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WTF does that mean?
WTF is not clear here?

People have ideas. Right or wrong. Wonderful or stupid. And if they happen to believe in those ideas and happen to have guts to translate those ideas into action, something happens. And that's how it is, hopefully, always going to be.

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