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George Bush's Power Grab... Is Martial Law Coming?

GEORGE BUSH'S POWER GRAB... IS MARTIAL LAW COMING?

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interesting and scary in theory. the best chance for this to work would have been on 9/12.

Dubya doesn't have the backing to pull something like this off. His power base is a coalition of people who have very very different agendas and the only ones in that coalition who would be willing to "get their hands dirty" are the Patriotic Gun Nut types who are already paranoid about Govt control in various forms both real and imagined.

In practice, Dubya's base would take him out if he tried it. Those middle American gun nuts are training to deal with the "New World Order" as we speak.

The nightmare scenario would have to involve a "Private Army"; many would say "see Haliburton" but once again I think you're talking about a lot of those same gun nuts. They don't have a problem shooting "A-Rabs" but when its their hometown teacher, guys they played high school sports with, like to drink beer with - not gonna happen.

One of the few advantages of having all those guys running around. It makes taking over this country a leeetle deeeficult. I don't think the Dubya Govt could take over Clarks Summit, PA unless the people of Clarks Summit allowed it to happen.

That said, it is disturbing that News like this isn't on the front pages of every newspaper...all the time.

I read conspiracy books for fun so I was already aware that there are quite a few of these fishy directives floating around out there...

...potential power is scary but the actual power always meets sufficient resistance to move everything back to the middle, I think we're headed back to the middle currently and there's very little Dubya can do about that.

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Did I say anything?

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Neither of you even lives in the USA, right?
What does that have to do with my question? You mean no one gets bored in the U.S? Ok cool, I will fly there when I get bored. I will party every day like you.
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interesting and scary in theory. the best chance for this to work would have been on 9/12.

Dubya doesn't have the backing to pull something like this off. His power base is a coalition of people who have very very different agendas
I disagree. The thing is, he doesn't HAVE to declare martial law. This new directive essentially, combined with Bush's power to detain American citizens indefinitely without trial, gives him all the powers he'd have if he declares martial law. Congress could try to pass legislation that specifically denied him the power, but he'd veto it.

Where are the Democrats going to find 10 Republican votes to override a veto?

What Bush is doing, with the enthusiastic help of the rest of the Republican party, is trying to re-make the USA so it's a nation of 'men, not laws', as opposed to a nation of laws, not men.' Ruled by a single person, not the representatives of the people.

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Funny thing is, they are more American than you, Commie.
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I disagree. The thing is, he doesn't HAVE to declare martial law. This new directive essentially, combined with Bush's power to detain American citizens indefinitely without trial, gives him all the powers he'd have if he declares martial law. Congress could try to pass legislation that specifically denied him the power, but he'd veto it.

Where are the Democrats going to find 10 Republican votes to override a veto?

What Bush is doing, with the enthusiastic help of the rest of the Republican party, is trying to re-make the USA so it's a nation of 'men, not laws', as opposed to a nation of laws, not men.' Ruled by a single person, not the representatives of the people.
And he would do what with this scary power?

Fuck with Muslims, Fuck with Blacks, Fuck with Hispanics, Fuck with Hippies; that's already been done and can be done again

Its harder to do now , depending on who the Black, Hispanic, Hippie, etc. is and what they stand for in relationship with the majority of the "enfranchised*** citizens" in this country.

Volcana despite any differences we've had in the past, I know you know as well as I, that there are hundreds of Americans more powerful than the President of the United States.

To get it away from Bush because what I'm saying needs to be stated in a very theoretical manner...

...the people who attempt to control this country against the will of this country, I'm talking Hitler style, a dictatorship, no elections anymore...

...would not live, they'd be killed plain and simple.

Potential power is waaaay different than carrying out the takeover of the nation.

My best example is the one I used to use in college...

...abortion...

...the GOP can rally a vocal minority that will get them elected by hinting around getting rid of/limiting abortion. This only works because of the low percentage of Americans who participate in the political process.

The second they actually pass/try to enforce a fed law making abortion illegal in the USA
all the apathetic chicks who don't participate in the system will suddenly find a reason to care and guess who will be out of office for easily the next 12+ years...

...anyone connected with actually making abortion illegal...

...the GOP knows that actually passing the law is political suicide; but talking about it wins them primary seats - it is "the game"...

...Dubya's fun and games only last as long as they don't have an intolerable effect on a certain enfranchised % of the American Public***.

There are enough enfranchised people on both sides of most of the REAL matters of political debate that Dubya's power will remain potential no matter what's on paper...

...once again, that said, the shit shouldn't be on paper in the first place.

I'm definitely not saying that your point isn't valid, we as citizens really need to focus much more uncovering all of Dubya's dirty tricks that are slowly coming to light.

I'm just saying that the mechanisms of correction are in place and are currently moving the Nation away from Dubya and back toward the center...shit pick a name connected to Bush, damn near everybody but Condi is currently under fire.

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The White House would control all governments, state and local. And all private companies. And the military. Without authorization by Congress. And he can declare an emergency, then take these powers.

It's not just Democrats who are alarmed by this. This violates the principles of Republicans as well. Even the man who brought this to light is a right-winger.

What I'm not clear on is: as a presidential directive, is this already in place? I have to re-read the article.

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Funny thing is, they are more American than you, Commie.
You actually still throw the word "commie" around like some 1960's John Birch Society card carrying throw-back? Wow. Do you call people who disagree with you "pinko" too? Do you own a t-shirt that says, "Archie Bunker was right!" on the front?

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You actually still throw the word "commie" around like some 1960's John Birch Society card carrying throw-back? Wow. Do you call people who disagree with you "pinko" too? Do you own a t-shirt that says, "Archie Bunker was right!" on the front?
The word commie is the same as the word fascist. Both are extremes which are really no different from one another. Many have called me fascist for my views which are pretty moderate. So I could throw back what you just said to others that call me fascist.
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Sounds like the 1930s German Notstandgesetze (emergency laws).....

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On the bright side, is there any reason that the Bushistas could be expected to pull off a coup with any more competence than they demonstrated in Iraq, after Hurricane Katrina, in preventing North Korea's missle testing or Iran's nuclear testing?

If the past is any indicator, they'll announce the coup weeks in advance and do nothing. Protest marches will break out, and Bush will immediately order them crushed. His generals will ask for 500,000 troops to put down the protesters, but Bush will only send 12. He'll then subcontract the repression of the counterrevolution to Haliburton, which will simply embezzle the billions slated for smashing the forces of Democracy. Hugo Chavez and Iran will begin arming the rebels, easily circumventing the efforts of Homeland Security which will have neither the technology nor human resources to stop the influx of arms because of underfunding due to the Iraq war.

Bush will order the CIA to kidnap the revolutionary leaders from the temporary capital in Baltimore. They will sign in using their own names, forgetting that they're not in Italy.

Within days, Bush will be hauled before a restored justice system and convicted of war crimes.

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