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Pakistan 'same-sex' couple jailed

A Pakistani court has remanded a couple in custody after ruling that the husband was actually a woman and their same-sex marriage was against Islam.

The case is believed to be one of the first of its kind in the country.

The judge ruled that the pair had lied over the husband's gender. He said that a sex change operation he had to become a woman was not carried out properly.

The couple told the court that they had got married so that the wife could avoid an arranged marriage.

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Shumail Raj, 31, had sex-change surgery to become a man and then married his cousin - who was aware of the condition but says she needed his help to avoid being forced into wedlock with someone else.

The bride's father wants to annul his daughter's wedding on the grounds that it is against Islam for two women to marry.
But the couple argue that they married to protect the bride from being sold into marriage to pay off her uncle's gambling debts.

The two were arrested last week after the bride's family complained about the gender of her husband.

The High Court in the eastern city of Lahore ruled that Mr Raj had earlier lied to the court by saying he was a man.

"Neither Islam nor our law allows marriages of the same sex. This mistake cannot simply be overlooked," Lahore High Court judge Khawaja Sharif told the couple.

"Why should a case be not registered against you for committing an unnatural offence and telling a lie?" he asked.

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I decided to help her out when she came to me with the problem... she just needs protection .
The judge ordered that Mr Raj be sent to jail in Lahore and his wife, Shahzina Tariq, be jailed in her home town of Faisalabad, pending their trial.

Correspondents say that if convicted of an "unnatural offence" - a term used for homosexuality - they could be sentenced to life in prison.

Shahzina Tariq said they married because they were in love.

"We're not homosexuals. Ours was a love marriage," the 24-year-old woman, clad in a long shawl, told reporters after the verdict.

"It was the fear of forced marriage which compelled me to convince Shumail for marriage," Dawn newspaper quoted her as saying.

"I was fully aware of Shumail's physical condition."

Mr Raj has undergone surgery twice in Pakistan over the past 16 years to become a man.

But tests carried out by doctors on behalf of the court ruled that he was still a woman, and he himself says that he needs to go abroad for more treatment even though his breasts and uterus have been removed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6679733.stm


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This is truly disgusting. The things some people do in the name of islam . I hope they persevere.

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This is truly disgusting. The things some people do in the name of islam
What name is it in when it happens in US courts? http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/summer03/transgender.html (scroll down to the 3rd paragraph)

Not that Islam is enlightened when it comes to trans issues but can we not pretend that that kind of ignorance is unique to it?

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I'm not really concern when it comes to the punishment in the name of Islam. The fact that this girl took such drastic matters to avoid appeasing her parents is more worrisome


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I'm not really concern when it comes to the punishment in the name of Islam. The fact that this girl took such drastic matters to avoid appeasing her parents is more worrisome
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Many of the cases of Karo Kari are related to love marriage. Recently a woman with her little child of five months, husband and four other members of her in-laws, was killed because she had committed the crime of love marriage. Most of the women in Pakistan are not allowed to marry a person of their choice.
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The Islamic Penal Law "Hadood Ordinance" repealed the provisions of the Pakistan Penal Code related to rape cases, in 1979. The Islamic Law of evidence applicable to cases of rape requires the evidence of four adult male Muslims, in order for the penalty of hadood to be imposed upon the accused. Being a half witness by law the raped woman can't even testify against the crime committed against her. According to these laws, testimony of the victim requires strong corroboration for conviction by the court. On the other hand, where sexual intercourse is established but the absence of consent cannot be proved, the presumption that such intercourse occurred with the woman's consent can place her at the risk of prosecution. In both cases, adultery or rape, a woman is kept in jail pending the ruling of the court. 52% of women languishing in the jails of Pakistan are waiting for their fate in these cases. In the case of a woman marrying without the consent of her family, the marriage can be declared invalid and the couple would then be accused of the offence of zina (adultery).
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If the women victimized by the offenders contact the law (the police) and the other investigating agencies, the women of the oppressed classes are subject to police brutality and crimes like rape are often carried out while in custody. The incidence of sexual assault on women in police custody increased after the implementation of these Islamic laws.
I remember seeing a Pakistani woman who`s husband had thrown acid on her face because he was gelous,he said he wasn`t punished.I`m horrified by everything that I`ve read.
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What name is it in when it happens in US courts? http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/summer03/transgender.html (scroll down to the 3rd paragraph)

Not that Islam is enlightened when it comes to trans issues but can we not pretend that that kind of ignorance is unique to it?
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What name is it in when it happens in US courts? http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/summer03/transgender.html (scroll down to the 3rd paragraph)

Not that Islam is enlightened when it comes to trans issues but can we not pretend that that kind of ignorance is unique to it?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking Islam. But some persons misuse the scriptures to suit themselves. The same is true about basically all religions. It's just that in this case we are dealing with Islam. And it's sad and shameful that it happens all over the world...including in the US. Sad world we live in .

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Allah will receive honor and glory if these wretched sinners are put to death for their heinous unnatural offense! Praise Allah! Bless Mohammad!
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Allah will receive honor and glory if these wretched sinners are put to death for their heinous unnatural offense! Praise Allah! Bless Mohammad!

Do you have to repeat that lame ass bullshit everytime someone posts a negative story about Islam?
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What name is it in when it happens in US courts? http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/summer03/transgender.html (scroll down to the 3rd paragraph)

Not that Islam is enlightened when it comes to trans issues but can we not pretend that that kind of ignorance is unique to it?
Perhaps I missed it but I didn't see anything in that article that said the people involved were in danger of being sentenced to life in prison.
While I think that the tactics in this case are wrong, I don't see the two cases as being comparable.
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