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Germany & Obesity...?

I just watched a report on DW-TV news that stated Germany has a severe obesity problem. It was reported that 75% of the men and 50% of the children are obese. They also said that the problem is so severe that the health minister is initiating an [emergency..?'] action plan.
Then I did a bit of surfing and discovered this report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6639227.stm
Germany launches obesity campaign


Obesity is increasing throughout the
developed world



The German government is launching
an action plan to cut obesity rates
sharply by 2020.


The initiative follows a study which revealed that Germany has the highest number of overweight people in Europe.

The plan, called "Fit instead of Fat", includes improving the quality of foods in schools and hospitals, and boosting exercise levels in children.

Health problems related to obesity are already estimated to cost Germany more than $90 million a year.

The package is being presented to cabinet meeting on Wednesday by health minister Ulla Schmidt and consumer affairs minister Horst Seehofer.

Germany is a nation that prides itself on its love of sport and outdoor activities.

So many Germans were shocked when figures compiled by the International Association for the Study of Obesity found more than 75% of men in the country, and 59% of women were classified as overweight.

Germany has a strong beer-drinking culture and some experts have pointed to a clear link between beer consumption and obesity.

Ms Schmidt warned that the government had to act now to minimise the risk of an huge increase in obesity-related health problems such as diabetes and heart disease.

She expressed particular concern about the number of children who were overweight due to poor diet and lack of exercise.
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So here's my question:
I can understand the probable link between beer consumption and obesity, but what about the children? They couldn't possibly link beer to the children's obesity problem, could they?

Also, in general, I was surprised to read that Germany has the most overweight people in Europe.

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not surprising: consider all those rivers of beer that Germans drink

In the so called "developed world" people eat too much and badly.....


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I thought Britain was the worst for fat people in europe?

Well we are supposed to be catching the USA up anyway.

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not surprising: consider all those rivers of beer that Germans drink

In the so called "developed world" people eat too much and badly.....
Yeah, 'developed' world is becoming synonymous with 'obese' world.

Still, they didn't explain why the children are so obese.

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I thought Britain was the worst for fat people in europe?

Well we are supposed to be catching the USA up anyway.
Actually, so did I. But I didn't want to be the first to say it.
I'd imagine that Britain can't be too far behind Germany.

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Re: Germany & Obesity...?

Obese and overweight are not the same, are they? I thought overweight = weighing more than normal; obese = very overweight?
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Obese and overweight are not the same, are they? I thought overweight = weighing more than normal; obese = very overweight?
Good question. Think of it this way...

Overweight = is an excess amount of body weight, including fat, muscle, bone and water.


Obesity = is an excess amount of body fat.

However, there are exceptions to the rule. For example, for my weight and height, depending on what physician I speak to, I'm considered obese. Yet I'm extremely lean or some would say "solid" because my hobby is resistence training.

Another good example would be the comparison of bodybuilders, football players, wrestlers, or similar body types with a lot of muscle. They can also be considered overweight [according to the definition], but yet not obese.

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I thought Britain was the worst for fat people in europe?

Well we are supposed to be catching the USA up anyway.
lol - I don't think anyone is close to USA in the obesity category!!!!



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lol - I don't didn't think anyone exceeded the USA in the obesity category!!!!
Just thought I'd correct that for ya. No need to thank me, though.

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I do admit that there are plenty of people in Germany struggling with overweight, to name some of them: the female Chancellor (overweigt: 10-15 kg) the Minister of Environment (overweight: 20-30 kg) nickname: "the whale", the Minister Of Finance (overweight: 10-20 kg), and so on. One can easily see: politicans have to deal with this issue - the best way to solve this problem is to raise new taxes so the average citizen will furthermore not be in the position to spend money for truffles, caviar, and all the other stuff that harms health.

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Re: Germany & Obesity...?

I'm so surprised about this, I thought Germans were relatively thin. When i was living there, it seemd Germans were in general, pretty fit.
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Germans , well some of them anyway.
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I also read this some days ago. We have much more people with overwight than in former times, but not THAT much...

But what a call for us - but I really don't believe that 75 % of the men are overweight. The most ones are "normal" ....

If there are really 75 % overweight, I'm glad to be in the other 25 %
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I thought Britain was the worst for fat people in europe?

Well we are supposed to be catching the USA up anyway.
Well Britain is fat, yes. But we aren't catching the USA very quickly at all, because they are still getting fatter, they haven't reached a plateau yet. oh my some of them are BIIIIIG. Saw a group of American tourists in Bath the other day, WADLING along the street. OH MY! I have never seen 10 people this fat in one place ever before!!

Both the Germans and Danes are generally known for being pretty fat, and are about the same as the Brits. German/ Danish fat is more due to beer, where as British fat is more due to chips and crisps imo.

According to my obesity lecture, the European fat categories for males are like this (2000-2005 data). Obese= BMI over 30

Category 1 over 25% obese: Greece and Croatia (suprising!!)
Category 2 20-24.9% UK, Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary, Finland
Category 3 15-19.9% France, Lithuania, Estonia, Denmark

And the skinnies= Bosnia, Serbia, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine
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Good question. Think of it this way...

Overweight = is an excess amount of body weight, including fat, muscle, bone and water.


Obesity = is an excess amount of body fat.

However, there are exceptions to the rule. For example, for my weight and height, depending on what physician I speak to, I'm considered obese. Yet I'm extremely lean or some would say "solid" because my hobby is resistence training.

Another good example would be the comparison of bodybuilders, football players, wrestlers, or similar body types with a lot of muscle. They can also be considered overweight [according to the definition], but yet not obese.
thats not what i was told

i was told its the body mass index

Interpretation of BMI for adults
For adults 20 years old and older, BMI is interpreted using standard weight status categories that are the same for all ages and for both men and women. For children and teens, on the other hand, the interpretation of BMI is both age- and sex-specific. For more information about interpretation for children and teens, visit Child and Teen BMI Calculator.

The standard weight status categories associated with BMI ranges for adults are shown in the following table.
BMI Weight Status
Below 18.5 Underweight
18.5 – 24.9 Normal
25.0 – 29.9 Overweight
30.0 and Above Obese


For example, here are the weight ranges, the corresponding BMI ranges, and the weight status categories for a sample height.
Height Weight Range BMI Weight Status
5’ 9” 124 lbs or less Below 18.5 Underweight
125 lbs to 168 lbs 18.5 to 24.9 Normal
169 lbs to 202 lbs 25.0 to 29.9 Overweight
203 lbs or more 30 or higher Obese

How reliable is BMI as an indicator of body fatness?

The correlation between the BMI number and body fatness is fairly strong; however the correlation varies by sex, race, and age. These variations include the following examples: 3, 4

* At the same BMI, women tend to have more body fat than men.
* At the same BMI, older people, on average, tend to have more body fat than younger adults.
* Highly trained athletes may have a high BMI because of increased muscularity rather than increased body fatness.

It is also important to remember that BMI is only one factor related to risk for disease. For assessing someone’s likelihood of developing overweight- or obesity-related diseases, the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute guidelines recommend looking at two other predictors:

* The individual’s waist circumference (because abdominal fat is a predictor of risk for obesity-related diseases).
* Other risk factors the individual has for diseases and conditions associated with obesity (for example, high blood pressure or physical inactivity).

For more information about the assessment of health risk for developing overweight- and obesity-related diseases, visit the following Web pages from the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute:

* Assessing Your Risk
* Body Mass Index Table
* Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults


If an athlete or other person with a lot of muscle has a BMI over 25, is that person still considered to be overweight?

According to the BMI weight status categories, anyone with a BMI over 25 would be classified as overweight and anyone with a BMI over 30 would be classified as obese.

It is important to remember, however, that BMI is not a direct measure of body fatness and that BMI is calculated from an individual’s weight which includes both muscle and fat. As a result, some individuals may have a high BMI but not have a high percentage of body fat. For example, highly trained athletes may have a high BMI because of increased muscularity rather than increased body fatness. Although some people with a BMI in the overweight range (from 25.0 to 29.9) may not have excess body fatness, most people with a BMI in the obese range (equal to or greater than 30) will have increased levels of body fatness.


It is also important to remember that weight is only one factor related to risk for disease. If you have questions or concerns about the appropriateness of your weight, you should discuss them with your healthcare provider.

What are the health consequences of overweight and obesity for adults?

The BMI ranges are based on the relationship between body weight and disease and death.5 Overweight and obese individuals are at increased risk for many diseases and health conditions, including the following: 6

* Hypertension
* Dyslipidemia (for example, high LDL cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, or high levels of triglycerides)
* Type 2 diabetes
* Coronary heart disease
* Stroke
* Gallbladder disease
* Osteoarthritis
* Sleep apnea and respiratory problems
* Some cancers (endometrial, breast, and colon)

For more information about these and other health problems associated with overweight and obesity, visit Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults.

Is BMI interpreted the same way for children and teens as it is for adults?

Although the BMI number is calculated the same way for children and adults, the criteria used to interpret the meaning of the BMI number for children and teens are different from those used for adults. For children and teens, BMI age- and sex-specific percentiles are used for two reasons:

* The amount of body fat changes with age.
* The amount of body fat differs between girls and boys.

Because of these factors, the interpretation of BMI is both age- and sex-specific for children and teens. The CDC BMI-for-age growth charts take into account these differences and allow translation of a BMI number into a percentile for a child’s sex and age.

For adults, on the other hand, BMI is interpreted through categories that are not dependent on sex or age.

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