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post #1 of 97 (permalink) Old Apr 18th, 2007, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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Partial Birth Abortion Ban Upheld by Supreme Court

First, a partial birth abortion is allowed legally in order to save the
mother's life. This has been the case for years, and is so under
the law the Court upheld.

Second, over 91% of the over 1 million abortions in America are
not covered by this - and are in no way effected by the ruling.

Third, it is a victory for the Pro-Life movement which has fought
hard to get the procedure done with that allows a doctor to kill
a baby - whose body is already partially out in the open, and alive.

Personally, I am very happy with this ruling.

I am also surprised. No one is ever sure which way Justice Kennedy
will go on these issues - he is the infamous 'swing' vote on the court.

He has gone more left and middle of the road, than right in the past
decade.

Thank goodness for Alito and Roberts.
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Now if they would only overturn Roe v. Wade. It would insure a democractic president for the next twenty years. By the way, Sam why the need to reasure us that this decision does not apply to Roe. What are you worried about?
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Third, it is a victory for the Pro-Life movement which has fought
hard to get the procedure done with that allows a doctor to kill
a baby - whose body is already partially out in the open, and alive.
What does this sentence mean ?
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So much for Roberts and Alito word, given during confirmation hearings, to be guided by stare decisis.

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Thousands if not millions living below the poverty line in the US, yet a bunch of old men are fixated on what women choose to do with their bodies
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I'm very much pro-choice, but up to a point. I think the laws in most European countries are fair. Abortion is legal until the 3rd month (in some countries until 20 weeks) but not after that.
Partial birth abortions do seem pretty cruel.

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States can, and will, still contest this with new laws looking to
overturn the partial birth ban.

California, New York, Mass., will probably lead the way on it.

The issue is not over.

But, a big victory for the Pro-Life / Anti-Abortion Movement.
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States can, and will, still contest this with new laws looking to
overturn the partial birth ban.

California, New York, Mass., will probably lead the way on it.

The issue is not over.

But, a big victory for the Pro-Life / Anti-Abortion Movement.
No it isn't Roe v. wade still stands.
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I'm very much pro-choice, but up to a point. I think the laws in most European countries are fair. Abortion is legal until the 3rd month (in some countries until 20 weeks) but not after that.
Partial birth abortions do seem pretty cruel.
I agree completely, I'm not "pro-life" but I don't see a problem with banning partial-birth abortions. If you don't know by the third month that you don't want the baby, then I think you've lost your right to an abortion.

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I agree completely, I'm not "pro-life" but I don't see a problem with banning partial-birth abortions. If you don't know by the third month that you don't want the baby, then I think you've lost your right to an abortion.
Interesting sentiment, but the women who get this procedure do so for medical reasons. It's not a simple matter of "not wanting the baby" it's a matter of "being pregnant/giving birth may kill or seriously injure you."

Ginsburg nailed it - they may not have overturned Roe v. Wade with this, but this ruling "cannot be understood as anything other than an effort to chip away a right declared again and again by this court..."

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First, a partial birth abortion is allowed legally in order to save the mother's life. This has been the case for years, and is so under the law the Court upheld.
I didn't know that. Pelosi just released her comments (court TV had he response) on this decision and made it seem like we were denying partial birth abortion to women in critical health.
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I didn't know that. Pelosi just released her comments (court TV had he response) on this decision and made it seem like we were denying partial birth abortion to women in critical health.
This is because uber pro-lifers think that this is just opening the flood gates and it will eventually lead to Roe v. Wade being overturned. Which is pure bullshit if you ask me.

I am pro-choice to a point and that point is 12 weeks. I don't get my panties in a twist when I hear of people having abortions at before 12 weeks. I don't care. Isn't something I can ever imagine myself doing but you never know! And there are many instances and exceptions when a person could feel like they have no other choice. Who am I to judge? However, there does come a point when it is blatant, fucking selfish murder (as always there are exceptions and it's good that the law still takes this into account). As a procedure it's disgusting, especially seeing as just a couple of months ago there was the baby in Miami who survived after only 21 weeks and six days in the womb. If partial-birth abortions were commonplace then a "fetus" older than that baby could be aborted. (I think partial-birth abortions would be allowed up until the life of the fetus is viable outside the womb and that is set at around 28 weeks ) It's a horrid thought.
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(as always there are exceptions and it's good that the law still takes this into account).
This law DOESN'T take medical exceptions into account. That's the point. Late-term abortions were already illegal pretty much everywhere unless the mother's health was at risk.

This law bans the procedure regardless.

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This law DOESN'T take medical exceptions into account. That's the point. Late-term abortions were already illegal pretty much everywhere unless the mother's health was at risk.

This law bans the procedure regardless.
Exactly....this new law does not provide any exceptions for the safety of the mother, which is why I have a problem with it. There are medical conditions which cannot be detected until later in the pregnancy (beyond the 20th week), and this new partial-birth abortion law does not allow for these exceptions either.

I feel as though this is another example of religion infiltrating the law in a way that it shouldn't be. I can understand there being some sort of abortion regualtions (since that is the standard worlwide....Canada is one of only 3 nations with no laws restricting abortions), but I feel this goes way too far.
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Well, I think you need to protect the mother's health... but, and forgive me my ignorance, how could you get the baby out past its navel and then need to kill it to save the mother?


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