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Racially Charged German Video Aired

By KIRSTEN GRIESHABER
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BERLIN (April 14) - A video showing a German army instructor telling one of his soldiers to envision African-Americans in the Bronx while firing his machine gun was broadcast Saturday on national television.

The video, coming after scandals involving photos of German soldiers posing with skulls in Afghanistan and the abuse of recruits by instructors, seemed likely to raise more questions about training practices in Germany's conscript army.

"We can no longer talk about an isolated case," said Lt. Juergen Rose of the Darmstaedter Signal, a group of current and former army officers and sergeants who independently review military procedures.

"Things like this don't happen in the army on an everyday basis, but unfortunately in recent years there have been a number of comparable incidents."

The Defense Ministry said the video was shot in July 2006 at barracks in the northern town of Rendsburg and that the army has been aware of it since January.

"We are currently investigating the incident," said Florian Naggies, a spokesman for the army and Defense Ministry.

He did not identify the instructor or the soldier, who are shown in camouflage uniforms in a forest.

The instructor tells the soldier, "You are in the Bronx. A black van is stopping in front of you. Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways ... Act."

The soldier fires his machine gun several times and yells an obscenity several times in English. The instructor then tells the soldier to curse even louder.

The existence of the video was first reported on the home page of the German news magazine Stern on Friday and excerpts of the video were aired on the news television channel n-tv on Saturday.

According to Stern, the 90-second video had been posted on a Web site used by soldiers to exchange private videos. A soldier who used the site alerted his superiors, the magazine reported.

The video is the latest embarrassment for the German army. Eighteen army instructors are currently on trial for allegedly abusing and humiliating 163 recruits in 2004. Last year, newspapers published photos of German soldiers in Afghanistan posing with a skulls - including one who exposed himself while holding a skull.

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This is just one of the examples of how hatred and racism is still being perpetrated in the world.

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this is why i love being black and german.

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this is why i love being black and german.
You and me both.
To make matters worse, my first and last name are German. And my Great-great-Grandfather immigrated from Germany to the states in 1845. I bet he's turning over in his grave about now. Still, this has got to be yet another ridiculously embarrassing incident for the Germans. *smh*

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It's not funny but for some reason I have in my mind Arnold Schwarzenegger saying what the the instructor is saying and I can't help but laugh.

Someone's been in the Bronx. What does he know about the black van?

I feel a bit awful for saying this but I don't trust Germany.
When I think of countries I hope become a superpower, Germany is low on that list.
Power and Germany just doesn't seem to work.

Houses and Germany do though.
After living in Germantown where the American Revolutionary battle of Germantown happened for so long, I must admit that the Germans know how to built some good houses.

So in conclusion, keep builting the houses and the cars but stop trying to kill us and for you very old Germans, stop trying to find tails on black people.

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You and me both.
To make matters worse, my first and last name are German. And my Great-great-Grandfather immigrated from Germany to the states in 1845. I bet he's turning over in his grave about now. Still, this has got to be yet another ridiculously embarrassing incident for the Germans. *smh*

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I am not suirprised, nor am I surprised by the slow response by the US to this atrocity. I don't execpt Geroge Bush to condemn this video, but one would expect Condeleezza Rice to do so, but I bet the President, or should I say "her man" probably told her not to say anything.

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I can only imagine the level of hatred from him to think of black pple as targets when he fires. It's the army though, one of the worst institutions people ever created.
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I am not suirprised, nor am I surprised by the slow response by the US to this atrocity. I don't execpt Geroge Bush to condemn this video, but one would expect Condeleezza Rice to do so, but I bet the President, or should I say "her man" probably told her not to say anything.
I'm no George Bush fan. But what do you expect him to do? There are thousands of such incidents, the presidential office should have better things to do than condemn everytime some idiot has a racist outburst. The germans are handling the situation I don't see how a failed US president sticking his foot in this situation would help the matters.
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I'm no George Bush fan. But what do you expect him to do? There are thousands of such incidents, the presidential office should have better things to do than condemn everytime some idiot has a racist outburst. The germans are handling the situation I don't see how a failed US president sticking his foot in this situation would help the matters.
Condemn the video. It's niot as if he doesn't know it exists.

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I guess no one's in the mood for a contrary viewpoint on this subject?

one of my best friends is German and I spent almost a month there last summer and met a lot of great friendly people...

...who think that America is like the wild west with everyone running around shooting each other for fun and profit, so on some level this officer's command is more the equivilent (sp) of an American officer saying "pretend you're at the OK Corral in the middle of a gunfight with the bad guys" that it is a "hey we can motivate this guy to shoot by suggesting he shoot a black person" scenario.


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I feel a bit awful for saying this but I don't trust Germany.
When I think of countries I hope become a superpower, Germany is low on that list.
Power and Germany just doesn't seem to work.

You're right on saying that when I take a look at my countrymen who, in surveys, consider America and Israel as the world's biggest threats to peace and not - for instance - Iran or Russia. This is the result of 30 years of leftist reeducation by hundreds of thousand of people like Michael Moore who became teachers and so on.

Nevertheless, there is no need to be afraid of a racist Germany, there is not more racism here than in other countries. And still - it's the army and not some chitterchatter-club. And we all know what kind of people go to the army. This case being brought up and the instructor being brought to justice, shows that everything works as it should. The instructor has already been suspended from duty.

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You and me both.
To make matters worse, my first and last name are German. And my Great-great-Grandfather immigrated from Germany to the states in 1845. I bet he's turning over in his grave about now. Still, this has got to be yet another ridiculously embarrassing incident for the Germans. *smh*

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You're right on saying that when I take a look at my countrymen who, in surveys, consider America and Israel as the world's biggest threats to peace and not - for instance - Iran or Russia. This is the result of 30 years of leftist reeducation by hundreds of thousand of people like Michael Moore who became teachers and so on.
That is just truly pathetic. But thanks for the information.

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