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Worst Than We Thought: failure to cut greenhouse gas emissions = devastating changes.

Report warns of 4C rise by 2100
· Floods and food and water shortages likely

David Adam in Paris
Saturday February 3, 2007
The Guardian

The world's scientists yesterday gave their starkest warning yet that a failure to cut greenhouse gas emissions will bring devastating climate change within a few decades.
Average temperatures could increase by as much as 6.4C by the end of the century if emissions continue to rise, with a rise of 4C most likely, according to the final report of an expert panel set up by the UN to study the problem. The forecast is higher than previous estimates, because scientists have discovered that Earth's land and oceans are becoming less able to absorb carbon dioxide.

An average global temperature rise of 4C would wipe out hundreds of species, bring extreme food and water shortages in vulnerable countries and cause catastrophic floods that would displace hundreds of millions of people. Warming would be much more severe towards the poles, which could accelerate melting of the Greenland and west Antarctic ice sheets.
The report, from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is written by hundreds of scientists across the world and has been approved by every government. It leaves little room for doubt that human activity is to blame. Achim Steiner, executive director of the UN Environment Programme, said: "February 2 2007 may be remembered as the day the question mark was removed from whether people are to blame for climate change."

The report itself said human activity was "very likely" to be responsible for most of the observed warming in recent decades, which means the scientists are 90% sure.

The new warning comes as world governments face increasing pressure to agree a new global deal to reduce emissions.

Susan Solomon, the co-chair of the IPCC working group that prepared the report, said: "If we keep emitting greenhouse gases at current rates we will see bigger changes this century than we did in the previous century. The amount of warming will depend on choices that human beings make."

The previous IPCC report, in 2001, said that failure to act could bring global warming of up to 5.8C by 2100.

Dr Solomon said yesterday's predictions painted a gloomier picture because scientists have discovered feedbacks in the global carbon cycle that are adding to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Early estimates say this would be enough to raise temperatures by at least another 1C by 2100.

A 4C rise or higher this century would see the world warm almost as much in 100 years as it did during the 15,000 years since the end of the last ice age.

The IPCC panel stressed that such an outcome was not inevitable. A significant switch to "clean and resource efficient technologies" would cut expected temperature rises by half. But even their most optimistic scenario would see a likely increase in temperature of 2.4C over pre-industrial levels by 2100. The EU has defined any rise over 2C as "dangerous".

David Miliband, the environment secretary, said the report was "another nail in the coffin of the climate change deniers and represents the most authoritative picture to date, showing that the debate over the science of climate change is well and truly over". He added: "What's now urgently needed is the international political commitment to take action. This has been absent so far."

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We have lost 6 critical years in dealing with this issue, and most likely we'll lose at least 2 more. For those who think elections don't matter, there's something to chew on.

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I'm interested to know - what can we non-scientists/politicians do to minimise the "inevitable"?

Besides driving hybrid cars (or no cars at all) and restricting use of electricity to curb greenhouse emissions, I don't know what else I can do
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I'm interested to know - what can we non-scientists/politicians do to minimise the "inevitable"?

Besides driving hybrid cars (or no cars at all) and restricting use of electricity to curb greenhouse emissions, I don't know what else I can do
don't forget preventing solar activity, the UN will probably propose they do something about that.

I am still waiting for them to explain why the 2006 hurricane season was so light when they predicted it was going to be the worse ever.
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I'm intrigued too.....!

This is very scary.

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its scary to think were killing the planet the way we are.

but i honestly dont think that anyone is ever gonna stop and start listening until its too late. People arent seeing drastic enough evidence that the planet is changing, the uneducated people dont seem to realise what a 1 degree C tempterature rise means to the world.

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I'm interested to know - what can we non-scientists/politicians do to minimise the "inevitable"?

Besides driving hybrid cars (or no cars at all) and restricting use of electricity to curb greenhouse emissions, I don't know what else I can do
go outside, enjoy the sun, plant a tree. that would meen the most for me personally.
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http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/

a few easy to do steps, as well as some further-actions you might want to try.

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Care to enlighten us? I'd love to hear why you think the worlds scientists are lying to us.
Maybe he's got conclusive evidence to the contrary as to why we're warming up

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I'm interested to know - what can we non-scientists/politicians do to minimise the "inevitable"?

Besides driving hybrid cars (or no cars at all) and restricting use of electricity to curb greenhouse emissions, I don't know what else I can do
Stop eating meat and reduce/stop your air travel.

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I'm interested to know - what can we non-scientists/politicians do to minimise the "inevitable"?

Besides driving hybrid cars (or no cars at all) and restricting use of electricity to curb greenhouse emissions, I don't know what else I can do
You could buy a rainwater tank for your house (if you don't already have one - I noticed you have an Aussie flag ). Everyone could recycle sooooooo much more. Look how much unecessary waste is produced each day. Eating meat is another good one (unless it's free range and/or organic).

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its scary to think were killing the planet the way we are.

but i honestly dont think that anyone is ever gonna stop and start listening until its too late. People arent seeing drastic enough evidence that the planet is changing, the uneducated people dont seem to realise what a 1 degree C tempterature rise means to the world.
the problem I see is that the issue is politicized, which means is has lost all credibility.

They are using a very known marketing technique, they say something you can't deny, then they tie a cause to it and ask you to act on the cause.

I'll try to explain what I mean.

I think many people have gone to those stupid marketing multilevel marketing sessions. In all of them they will start showing you that you are working a lot and not making much money while others work very little and make a lot of money.

Then they ask you, would you like to work less and earn a lot more money? the answer is obviousy yes and requires no explanation or justification.

But the fact that you want more money doesn't mean their methods will give you more money, but they don't tell you that, they concentrate in your wishes, and start paternalizing you. They say, see? what I say is exactly what you think so blah blah blah.

It's similar here. They start saying "Global warming is happening, the consequences of global warming are catastrophic", nobody denies that, it IS happening, but it doesn't mean that greenhouse gases are causing it.

Then when they go to the causes, they conveniently say that there is a high probability that global warming is man caused. Why? because they don't know. They generalize calling "scientists", but there is a large number of scientists who don't agree.

There are cases where they have invited known experts in certain areas, case in point, hurricanes, but then issue a report not supported by those experts, a lot of evidence is omitted.

Funny, they predicted the 2006 hurricane season was going to be the worst ever, they gambled, they assumed that because 2005 was very bad 2006 would be as well, and it resulted in one of the mildest ever. Translation, they know shit about what causes hurricanes, the oceans are as warm or warmer than last year, yet, the hurricanes behaviour was completely different, so there must be other factors that are obvioulsy more important than global warming.

They are promoting using alternate fuels, but to produce those alternate fuels they are desforastating big areas.

Some people talk about recycling, that's great, the problem is that they are not recycling everything we give them, and some recycling centres produce more pollution than they avoid.

when a scientist denies that greenhouse gases are causing global warming, they say they are paid by the oil companies, maybe.

But what about the multi-billion dollars to be spent in "cleaning", isn't there an economic interest also?

I've seen reports that said the US goverments silenced some scientists that warned about global warming. That's probably true but what about the scientists that think the sun is to be blamed that were also silenced?

I don't know, I am not a scientists but some times it seems they don't know much more than I do, in any case, abrupts changes in temperature have happened many times before, and the sun does look as a very important factor in Earth's climate.

Some years ago, the emphasis was in the ozone layer, the visions were as apocaliptic as they are now, they proposed among other things to stop using planes. Since that was obviously not going to happen they stop it, nobody cares about it now.

They don't care about deforestation, they don't care about overfishing, they don't care about hydroelectric dams covering natural habitats, now global warming is news, it's all they care about, in some cases they are damaging the environment to prevent global warming.

One final word, the greenhouse advocates mention dates well beyond our lifespan, they make prediction by 2100 when we all we dead.

In other words, we won't see any effects of the changes, but because they went so far in the future then we can't know can we? so keep doing it.

But one of the scientists that attributes global warming the the sun, not greenhouse gases, claims that Earth will enter a cold period (a mini glaciar) between 2015 and 2020, that much nearer. If that do happen, I hope the members of that UN committee have their tickets to Mars, because some people will be really pissed off at them.
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I'm pretty sure he has absolutely no clue about global warming. It's just that the GOP told him that it's crap, and he ofcourse believed it.
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It's very scary.

Here's something else I found that we can do to help minimise the situation, even if it's only very slight.

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People saying that climate change isn't a problem are the ones making things worst. It's a very serious problem and everyone should unite to work on it. Even if the ultimate predictions are not true, can we really take any chances?

Glad the IPCC report is out. We've been waiting for it for a while. Some of my teachers participated in it, and they told us already that there wouldn't be any doubts with the conclusions of the report. Clearly some people still have some.

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