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Newsweek article: Is America Ready?

A very long, albeit very interesting article about Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama's Presidential chances.
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By Jonathan Alter
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Dec. 25, 2006 - Jan. 1, 2007 issue - It felt like the twilight zone in New Hampshire. The calendar still read 2006, but everything about the surging crowd of 1,500 pumped-up Democrats and 160 ravenous political reporters screamed 2008. Here was Barack Obama, less than two years into his Senate term, making his first-ever trip to the state in mid-December, and his sold-out performance before a tumultuous crowd impressed even the most hardened political operatives—though Conan O'Brien joked it was just because New Hampshire had never seen an African-American before.

For decades, the joke there has been that no presidential wanna-be can win support in the fabled primary without meeting each voter one-on-one in his living room. But the 45-year-old Obama, some-times described as "post-racial," was in a category of his own. As his team began to peel away longtime Bill Clinton supporters—former Commerce secretary Bill Daley is strongly onboard and will likely be a senior adviser—the Illinois senator's presidential rollout was working so well in New Hampshire that it raised concerns he could be peaking too soon. The mania, his aides know, cannot be sustained at this level when the real scrutiny begins.

Full of praise for Hillary Clinton, Obama handled himself with his usual offhand baritone cool. He explained that the hype has "less to do with me, more to do with you." His curious audience, he noted, was simply saying, "We are looking for something different—we want something new."

The question is, how new? For 220 years, Americans have elected only white male Christians with no hint of ethnicity to the White House. Even Irish Catholic John F. Kennedy seemed like a WASP to most people. By the time of Rep. Shirley Chisholm's brief run in 1972, then Jesse Jackson's in 1984 and 1988, the country was comfortable with barrier-breaking on the campaign trail, but not yet serious about electing someone truly different.

No one knows yet whether we are serious now, and we won't find out for sure unless it happens. But the record of white males in high places has not exactly been stellar of late, and voters might be in the mood to try something historic and possibly redemptive. A black president in a country that fought a civil war over race might even prove cathartic. And a woman president would show the rest of the world that the United States is not a sexist nation. Whatever happens, the process feels uplifting. If neither Clinton nor Obama wins, it won't necessarily prove the United States is closed-minded. Their failure would likely be the product of their own shortcomings—or the emergence of one of the several white (and one Hispanic) male Democrats who still have a shot at their party's nomination. Early primary states are so hard-wired for upsets that many Democrats could find themselves circling back to the pale males.

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LOL pale males. I agree. It's too early for Hillarys or Baracks of the world.




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LOL pale males. I agree. It's too early for Hillarys or Baracks of the world.
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Another mindless media promotion of class warfare. Same old radicals, same old , new packaging.


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Dude isn't winning and I'll leave it at that. refer to Head of State

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I just hope that the best candidate wins and that the racial factor doesn't either advantage or disadvantage Obama. Although, unfortunately that is unrealistic of course.

I don't know enough about Obama to hold a view either way. As for Clinton, on one hand she seems to have the necessary experience, she is renowned for her intellect (which would be quite a relief after 8 years of Bush) and, of course, as a woman it would be a milestone for America. Although, as with Obama, I hope it is the policies she espouses which people consider and not something which she was pre-disposed to, such as her sex.

But I do have my doubts. If she does run for President, why now? Why did she not make a run last time instead of John Donkey? And her canniness works against her somewhat, or at least it does in my mind. Her political savvy has seen her support the war in Iraq for what I imagine were expedient reasons, and I'm not exactly sure what she feels most strongly about. She seems to understand the American political landscape so acutely that she will not be drawn on anything for fear of scuppering her own chances. I have heard she is pro-choice, and abortion is a big political issue in America, but I rarely hear her passionately speaking out against the religious Right.

So before I back Clinton, not that it makes any difference as a non-American national, I would like to be clearer on what she stands for. John Kerry was an embarrassment for the Democrats. Another one could be disastrous for the party as a whole.
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please. americans dont vote for anything that isnt on primetime tv.

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One thing I think we can all agree on is that the 2008 Presidential election will be incredibly exciting.

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One thing I think we can all agree on is that the 2008 Presidential election will be incredibly exciting.
American elections always are exciting. I'm only 24 but I've followed them avidly since Clinton defeated Bush Snr in 1992. I sit up all night, just as I do for the British election results.

And I vaguely remember "Read my lips, no more taxes" in 1988.
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It's too early for Hillarys or Baracks of the world.
When is the right time for America to discredit bigotry? Why not NOW?

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I don't care who wins, as long as it's a democrat

Seriously though, I think both have their plusses and minuses. Obama's going to run into problems with some of the things he's done in the past. He's admitted to doing cocaine and having sympathy with some radical groups in the past. It doesn't affect my support for him, but I can imagine some people in middle America will have questions, especially because he's a black man and many whites, unfortunately still have racial stereotypes. The major thing he has going for him, is he'll get a lot of grassroots support from Democratic voters who are growing tired of Hillary's reluctance to admit she was wrong on Iraq and the growing sense that he offers a way to bridge the gap between many of the racial, religious, and sectional divisions in the country.

Hillary also has problems because people perceive her, rightly or wrongly, as having a bitchy personality, and being too politically calculated. However, she has the experience and the credentials on both domestic and foreign policy issues to be very formidable. Plus, she will have money coming out of her ass and Bill's team of campaigners

Also, you can't count out John Edwards, who has enormous wealth of knowledge on issues such as poverty and the environment, and also you can't count out some of the other yet unknown candidates such as Dodd, Biden, and Richardson, probably one of which will make a good run at it as history has shown us.

Whatever happens, the Democratic primary will be very interesting.

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...Obama's going to run into problems with some of the things he's done in the past....doing cocaine and having sympathy with some radical groups...I can imagine some people in middle America will have questions, especially because he's a black man and many whites, unfortunately still have racial stereotypes....

Hillary also has problems because people perceive her, rightly or wrongly, as having a bitchy personality, and being too politically calculated. However, she has the experience and the credentials on both domestic and foreign policy issues to be very formidable. Plus, she will have money coming out of her ass and Bill's team of campaigners

Also, you can't count out John Edwards, who has enormous wealth of knowledge on issues such as poverty and the environment, and also you can't count out some of the other yet unknown candidates such as Dodd, Biden, and Richardson, probably one of which will make a good run at it as history has shown us.
What a bunch of pompous bs! Nobody cares about gender or race in the elections; ideas are what matter. And the ideas of the above leftist ideologues will be disastrous for the economy and the safety of this country, which is why Democrats are always re-inventing themselves. When the voters recover from their media-induced stupor and the political hangover of 2006, they will reject the left as they always have.


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What a bunch of pompous bs! Nobody cares about gender or race in the elections; ideas are what matter. And the ideas of the above leftist ideologues will be disastrous for the economy and the safety of this country, which is why Democrats are always re-inventing themselves. When the voters recover from their media-induced stupor and the political hangover of 2006, they will reject the left as they always have.
You criticize people being leftist ideologues, yet you blindly follow whatever conservatives tell you, which makes you ironically, an ideologue yourself

If you think that gender and race don't matter in elections, then you really don't have a clue

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Nobody cares about gender or race in the elections; ideas are what matter.
how are people this stupid not eaten by wolves? i mean really, any animal this stupid is a detriment to its species.

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