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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 2006, 02:56 AM Thread Starter
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Our society is really getting beyond absurd with the idiotic political correctness.

We saw an example when they decided to suspend an opera in Germany because of security fears as it showed the head of Mohammed, funny things is that muslims didn't oppose to it and even asked for it to be played.

Here in Canada, a judge ordered a christmas tree to be removed because it could offend people that are no Christians, muslim leaders called that decision stupid and stated that far from being offended they enjoy the Christmas celebrations.

There have been cases in Britain and other countries, and are the muslims who are asking the authorities not to be so damn stupid.

I mean, we all know there are extremists that would look for any excuse to cause trouble, but we are censoring ourselves, we are basically putting limits to everything we do to not offend anyone, and the funny part is that who are supposedly offended are the ones speaking up against these ridiculous bans.

We can't even call Christmas Christmas, it's supposed to be just "holidays".

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I heard about the Christmas tree thing on the radio on the way home from class. It is a really dumb decision in my opinion. Like you pointed out, no one from any religious or cultural group has been opposed to it. I could understand if all people were forced by law to put up a tree, but they aren't. It's just a decoration. I'm all for being PC, but sometimes issues that require actual PC are ignored in favour of showboating for no reason like this.

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Our society is really getting beyond absurd with the idiotic political correctness.

We saw an example when they decided to suspend an opera in Germany because of security fears as it showed the head of Mohammed, funny things is that muslims didn't oppose to it and even asked for it to be played.

Here in Canada, a judge ordered a christmas tree to be removed because it could offend people that are no Christians, muslim leaders called that decision stupid and stated that far from being offended they enjoy the Christmas celebrations.

There have been cases in Britain and other countries, and are the muslims who are asking the authorities not to be so damn stupid.

I mean, we all know there are extremists that would look for any excuse to cause trouble, but we are censoring ourselves, we are basically putting limits to everything we do to not offend anyone, and the funny part is that who are supposedly offended are the ones speaking up against these ridiculous bans.

We can't even call Christmas Christmas, it's supposed to be just "holidays".

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OMG, yeah, like when we were singing Christmas carols to the lower school, the directors said we had to sing "We Wish You A Happy Holiday" instead of "We Wish You A Merry Christmas" because Christians would be offended. I mean, we wish you a happy holiday, we wish you a happy holiday doesn't fit with the flow of the song.
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OMG, yeah, like when we were singing Christmas carols to the lower school, the directors said we had to sing "We Wish You A Happy Holiday" instead of "We Wish You A Merry Christmas" because Christians would be offended. I mean, we wish you a happy holiday, we wish you a happy holiday doesn't fit with the flow of the song.


What the hell? I am christian and I am not offended by singing "We Wish You A Merry Christmas"
Or do you mean the opposite?
That is hilarious that that happened to you guys though, I've heard that Wal-Mart has decided to stop being PC and has decided to go back to saying Merry Christmas, which is great!

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What the hell? I am christian and I am not offended by singing "We Wish You A Merry Christmas"
Or do you mean the opposite?
That is hilarious that that happened to you guys though, I've heard that Wal-Mart has decided to stop being PC and has decided to go back to saying Merry Christmas, which is great!
Oops, I meant non-Christians. But anyway, it was so irritating, it messed up my already rusty lyrics to the song!
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What the hell? I am christian and I am not offended by singing "We Wish You A Merry Christmas"
Or do you mean the opposite?
That is hilarious that that happened to you guys though, I've heard that Wal-Mart has decided to stop being PC and has decided to go back to saying Merry Christmas, which is great!
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OMG, yeah, like when we were singing Christmas carols to the lower school, the directors said we had to sing "We Wish You A Happy Holiday" instead of "We Wish You A Merry Christmas" because Christians would be offended. I mean, we wish you a happy holiday, we wish you a happy holiday doesn't fit with the flow of the song.



It's stupid cuz Christmas is supposed to be a celebration of Jesus Christ birthday but he's not even born in december month...
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Our society is really getting beyond absurd with the idiotic political correctness.

We saw an example when they decided to suspend an opera in Germany because of security fears as it showed the head of Mohammed, funny things is that muslims didn't oppose to it and even asked for it to be played.

Here in Canada, a judge ordered a christmas tree to be removed because it could offend people that are no Christians, muslim leaders called that decision stupid and stated that far from being offended they enjoy the Christmas celebrations.

There have been cases in Britain and other countries, and are the muslims who are asking the authorities not to be so damn stupid.

I mean, we all know there are extremists that would look for any excuse to cause trouble, but we are censoring ourselves, we are basically putting limits to everything we do to not offend anyone, and the funny part is that who are supposedly offended are the ones speaking up against these ridiculous bans.

We can't even call Christmas Christmas, it's supposed to be just "holidays".

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Well said Fingon.

Jews, for instance, had lived in western christian countries for centuries and centuries and this type of thing never happened. But why is happening now? Who is responsible for it? For whom are we censoring ourselves? Who is threatening and intimidating us?

It's time for us to know the enemy.
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Well said Fingon.

Jews, for instance, had lived in western christian countries for centuries and centuries and this type of thing never happened. But why is happening now? Who is responsible for it? For whom are we censoring ourselves? Who is threatening and intimidating us?

It's time for us to know the enemy.
No of course, Jews were just persecuted, killed, expelled, treated like second-class citizens, ridiculed,...but yeah they were really well-liked here in the west.
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We saw an example when they decided to suspend an opera in Germany because of security fears as it showed the head of Mohammed, funny things is that muslims didn't oppose to it and even asked for it to be played.

Here in Canada, a judge ordered a christmas tree to be removed because it could offend people that are no Christians, muslim leaders called that decision stupid and stated that far from being offended they enjoy the Christmas celebrations.


Merry Christmas Fingon .
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Absolutely right, most people aren't offended that fast, so why should you cancel some habits cause a very small minority could be annoyed.

And about the extremists, I think it's very hard to do anything against it, I mean if they want to attack they will attack. We only wasting money to attack the attackers (how wrong), but I didn't solve anything so far. Besides we give them the media attention they don't deserve.
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No of course, Jews were just persecuted, killed, expelled, treated like second-class citizens, ridiculed,...but yeah they were really well-liked here in the west.
Who said they were well liked? I'm giving an example of how people have lived as a minority without the rest of society needing to accommodate their every whim.
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I'm only offended about the way some people are offended about other people being offended about something... I couldn't care less about christmas traditions.
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Well said Fingon.

Jews, for instance, had lived in western christian countries for centuries and centuries and this type of thing never happened. But why is happening now? Who is responsible for it? For whom are we censoring ourselves? Who is threatening and intimidating us?

It's time for us to know the enemy.
Idiot. You clearly misunderstood the point of Fingon's post.

I don't think this is all related to Islam, but more of a current battle in the West between secularism and Christian religious expression. There was a problem in a Seattle airport this week, where Christmas trees had been removed because a rabbi asked also for Jewish symbolism.
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