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According to the cousin of the accuser, who was on Fox News tonight, she gave birth within the last two days. Now if my math is correct, today is December 14; she claims she was raped on March 14.



Anyone who was in that lacrosse house better hope her baby is black.

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We all know those guys aren't going down but it's great to read one of your posts again Liz, it's been a long time.

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We all know those guys aren't going down but it's great to read one of your posts again Liz, it's been a long time.

Maybe these three aren't but I was never convinced that at least someone in that house was as innocent as they were saying they were.

That you for the nice comment; I have been busy, plus since Vensu and Serena were not playing tennis since September, I didn't have a reason to come to the board.

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Maybe these three aren't but I was never convinced that at least someone in that house was as innocent as they were saying they were.

That you for the nice comment; I have been busy, plus since Vensu and Serena were not playing tennis since September, I didn't have a reason to come to the board.
I don't trust the culture at Duke( we all know where I'm getting at), but I didn't know you've been gone from here too. I left in August when I started law school and I just came back today.

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I don't trust the culture at Duke( we all know where I'm getting at), but I didn't know you've been gone from here too. I left in August when I started law school and I just came back today.

Not only do I not trust the people at Duke, I have been very suspicious of the defense of all of the players. They have been hell bent on trashing this alleged victim and the way they have been going about it make me believe something happened in that house. It may not have been the three accused, but I think one of those lacrosse players did something to her.

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Not only do I not trust the people at Duke, I have been very suspicious of the defense of all of the players. They have been hell bent on trashing this alleged victim and the way they have been going about it make me believe something happened in that house. It may not have been the three accused, but I think one of those lacrosse players did something to her.
I totally agree, the double standard in how stuff like this is treated is sad. Look at the NYPD groom case with the cops trying to fabricate a 4th guy to justify 50 shots. I've yet to see a person in suburbs get capped 50 times.

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I totally agree, the double standard in how stuff like this is treated is sad. Look at the NYPD groom case with the cops trying to fabricate a 4th guy to justify 50 shots. I've yet to see a person in suburbs get capped 50 times.

And you never will.

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Reports Say Duke Rape Accuser Is Pregnant
By DAVID SCOTT, AP


RALEIGH, N.C. (Dec. 15) - The woman at the center of the Duke lacrosse rape case is pregnant and due to give birth any day (according to some reports, she gave birth yesterday), roughly nine months after the team party where she says she was raped by three men in a bathroom.

The pregnancy was confirmed late Thursday by a person familiar with the case, speaking to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity. Both Fox News and WRAL-TV in Raleigh reported she gave birth Thursday night.

There had been no prior indication the woman, a 28-year-old college student who already has children, was even pregnant. She has not spoken in public since granting a single interview to the News & Observer of Raleigh shortly after the party.

The person who confirmed the pregnancy to the AP had no information about the father. Defense attorneys have stressed for months that no sex occurred at the party and they have cited DNA testing that found genetic material from several males in the accuser's body and her underwear - but none from any member of the lacrosse team.

Calls to attorneys representing the three indicted players were not returned Thursday night, as were calls and messages left with District Attorney Mike Nifong.

Medical records included in a defense motion filed Thursday were not made public. It wasn't clear whether a pregnancy test was taken immediately after the party.

The development came just hours after defense attorneys file a motion saying the woman misidentified her alleged attackers in a photo lineup that was "an incoherent mass of contradiction and error." The attorneys asked a judge to bar prosecutors from using the photo lineup at their clients' trial and prevent the accuser from identifying the players from the witness stand.
Duke University law professor James E. Coleman Jr. said the case would be "effectively dismissed" if the court finds the lineup inadmissible "and rules that it is so suggestive that there can't be an in-court identification."
Within Thursday's motion, the defense highlighted what it considers numerous holes in the accuser's story.

Among the details cited are examples of how the accuser's story changed in the hours and days after the party; that she has a history of bipolar disorder; that she identified two people as having attended the party who were not there; and that she identified four attackers during the April photo lineup.

An earlier defense motion argued the lineup was "unnecessarily suggestive" because the accuser was shown only photos of lacrosse players.
Thursday's motion adds details about efforts by police investigators and Nifong to assist the accuser in identifying the three men she said gang-raped her in a bathroom at a March 13 team party where she had been hired to perform as a stripper.

Based in part on those identifications, Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and David Evans were indicted on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense. All three players have insisted they are innocent.

Investigators conducted three photo lineups, according to the defense motion. In the first two, the accuser failed to identify Evans and did not identify Seligmann as an attacker, despite being shown photos of both men.
Defense lawyers argue that the third lineup, conducted April 4 at the Durham Police Department, violated departmental policies and the defendants' constitutional due process rights because it included only pictures of those at the party.

A hearing is scheduled Friday, but it is unclear whether the defense might argue their motions filed Wednesday and Thursday. The hearing had been expected mostly to deal with scheduling.




12/15/06 00:34 EST

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According to the cousin of the accuser, who was on Fox News tonight, she gave birth within the last two days. Now if my math is correct, today is December 14; she claims she was raped on March 14.



Anyone who was in that lacrosse house better hope her baby is black.
9 months is the approximate length of human gestation, she could have gotten pregnant a few days B4 or after the 14th. And they can do DNA testing of course, not just look @ color. (After all, consensual sex for passion or for money with a different white guy can't be ruled out).
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9 months is the approximate length of human gestation, she could have gotten pregnant a few days B4 or after the 14th. And they can do DNA testing of course, not just look @ color. (After all, consensual sex for passion or for money with a different white guy can't be ruled out).

Unless she has a history with white men (which I doubt) and considering where she lives, I'd rule it out.

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Unless she has a history with white men (which I doubt) and considering where she lives, I'd rule it out.
Maybe she was also working as a call girl, and had sex with a white guy thru that, neither of us knows. And since (if she had a baby) the DA can get a DNA test done re. the lacrosse players, why don't we wait and see B4 rushing to judgement?
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Maybe she was also working as a call girl, and had sex with a white guy thru that, neither of us knows. And since (if she had a baby) the DA can get a DNA test done re. the lacrosse players, why don't we wait and see B4 rushing to judgement?

The fact is no one knows, but I find this interesting: if the defense is so sure that none of their clients could be the father, then why are they asking for paterrnity tests? If I knew for sure my client's DNA was not found on the accuser, I wouldn't be worried about a paternity test.

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The fact is no one knows, but I find this interesting: if the defense is so sure that none of their clients could be the father, then why are they asking for paterrnity tests? If I knew for sure my client's DNA was not found on the accuser, I wouldn't be worried about a paternity test.
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Duke Lacrosse DNA: Mystery Man Revealed Accuser's Boyfriend is 'Single Source' of DNA on Vaginal Swab

Joe Cheshire, a defense attorney for Duke University lacrosse players at the center of a rape investigation, said the latest tests show no conclusive match to any of the lacrosse players' DNA. (ABC News)

By CHRIS CUOMO, GERRY WAGSCHAL, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and LARA SETRAKIAN

May 13, 2006 — The second round of DNA test results in the Duke University rape investigation show "no conclusive match'' to any lacrosse players, defense attorneys said, but a vaginal swab of the alleged rape victim produced DNA from a "single male source'' — a man not on the lacrosse team who did not attend a March 13 party that was the site of the alleged rape.

Defense attorney Joe Cheshire declined to identify the mystery man or his connection to the alleged victim, but ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned that the unnamed source of the DNA is the alleged victim's "boyfriend," according to her mother.
ABC News is withholding the name of the man because he is apparently not a target of the investigation. Records indicate that Durham, N.C., police gave the "boyfriend'' a cheek swab to collect DNA on May 3, ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned exclusively.

It is unclear if or how the first DNA tests missed what appears to be the only foreign genetic material found on the alleged victim's body, defense attorneys said. Two Duke lacrosse players were indicted more than two weeks before the cheek swab was taken from the "boyfriend."

It is also unclear whether the alleged victim had sex with the "boyfriend" the night she claims to have been raped by three Duke lacrosse players. DNA experts tell ABC News that genetic traces of semen can remain in the body up to six days after intercouse.

Defense attorneys declined to release the actual report, saying that it contained the name of the "single male source.''

Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong did not return a call to his home Friday night requesting his reaction to the defense attorneys' press conference. Nifong has said recently that he would be undeterred by a lack of conclusive DNA evidence.

Experts say that the absence of conclusive DNA evidence would not necessarily be a fatal blow to the prosecution's case. They cite a figure stating that 75 percent to 80 percent of rape prosecutions do not involve forensic evidence such as DNA.
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Now the DA is saying that the accuser is due to give birth in February.

At this point, I don't know who to believe. And it looks like Fox News was duped into reporting a false story.

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The fact is no one knows, but I find this interesting: if the defense is so sure that none of their clients could be the father, then why are they asking for paterrnity tests? If I knew for sure my client's DNA was not found on the accuser, I wouldn't be worried about a paternity test.
If they were worried about a paternity test, they wouldn't be asking for it, now would they? A negative paternity test can clear their name.

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