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The 'Eurabia' Myth

By RALPH PETERS (New York Post)

November 26, 2006 -- A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.

Well, maybe not.

The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong.

The endangered species isn't the "peace loving" European lolling in his or her welfare state, but the continent's Muslims immigrants - and their multi-generation descendents - who were foolish enough to imagine that Europeans would share their toys.

In fact, Muslims are hardly welcome to pick up the trash on Europe's playgrounds.

Don't let Europe's current round of playing pacifist dress-up fool you: This is the continent that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing, the happy-go-lucky slice of humanity that brought us such recent hits as the Holocaust and Srebrenica.

THE historical patterns are clear: When Europeans feel sufficiently threatened - even when the threat's concocted nonsense - they don't just react, they over-react with stunning ferocity. One of their more-humane (and frequently employed) techniques has been ethnic cleansing.

And Europeans won't even need to re-write "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with an Islamist theme - real Muslims zealots provide Europe's bigots with all the propaganda they need. Al Qaeda and its wannabe fans are the worst thing that could have happened to Europe's Muslims. Europe hasn't broken free of its historical addictions - we're going to see Europe's history reprised on meth.

The year 1492 wasn't just big for Columbus. It's also when Spain expelled its culturally magnificent Jewish community en masse - to be followed shortly by the Moors, Muslims who had been on the Iberian Peninsula for more than 800 years.

Jews got the boot elsewhere in Europe, too - if they weren't just killed on the spot. When Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice," it's a safe bet he'd never met a Jew. The Chosen People were long-gone from Jolly Olde England.

From the French expulsion of the Huguenots right down to the last century's massive ethnic cleansings, Europeans have never been shy about showing "foreigners and subversives" the door.

And Europe's Muslims don't even have roots, by historical standards. For the Europeans, they're just the detritus of colonial history. When Europeans feel sufficiently provoked and threatened - a few serious terrorist attacks could do it - Europe's Muslims will be lucky just to be deported.

Sound impossible? Have the Europeans become too soft for that sort of thing? Has narcotic socialism destroyed their ability to hate? Is their atheism a prelude to total surrender to faith-intoxicated Muslim jihadis?

The answer to all of the above questions is a booming "No!" The Europeans have enjoyed a comfy ride for the last 60 years - but the very fact that they don't want it to stop increases their rage and sense of being besieged by Muslim minorities they've long refused to assimilate (and which no longer want to assimilate).

WE don't need to gloss over the many Muslim acts of barbarism down the centuries to recognize that the Europeans are just better at the extermination process. From the massacre of all Muslims and Jews (and quite a few Eastern Christians) when the Crusaders reached Jerusalem in 1099 to the massacre of all the Jews in Buda (not yet attached to Pest across the Danube) when the "liberating" Habsburg armies retook the citadel at the end of the 17th century, Europeans have just been better organized for genocide.

It's the difference between the messy Turkish execution of the Armenian genocide and the industrial efficiency of the Holocaust. Hey, when you love your work, you get good at it.

Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal.

I have no difficulty imagining a scenario in which U.S. Navy ships are at anchor and U.S. Marines have gone ashore at Brest, Bremerhaven or Bari to guarantee the safe evacuation of Europe's Muslims. After all, we were the only ones to do anything about the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans. And even though we botched it, our effort in Iraq was meant to give the Middle East's Muslims a last chance to escape their self-inflicted misery.

AND we're lucky. The United States attracts the quality. American Muslims have a higher income level than our national average. We hear about the handful of rabble-rousers, but more of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslims are doctors, professors and entrepreneurs.

And the American dream is still alive and well, thanks: Even the newest taxi driver stumbling over his English grammar knows he can truly become an American.

But European Muslims can't become French or Dutch or Italian or German. Even if they qualify for a passport, they remain second-class citizens. On a good day. And they're supposed to take over the continent that's exported more death than any other?

All the copy-cat predictions of a Muslim takeover of Europe not only ignore history and Europe's ineradicable viciousness, but do a serious disservice by exacerbating fear and hatred. And when it comes to hatred, trust me: The Europeans don't need our help.

The jobless and hopeless kids in the suburbs may burn a couple of cars, but we'll always have Paris.
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Will this anti-Europism ever stop? You all hate us because you're jealous of us.

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Comedy article.

It is a joke right ?
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Given that its the political aspects of Islamism people object to, the most obvious recent parrallel would seem to be All-American McCarthyism...so stfu, k.
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The article is clearly exagerating stuff, but nonetheless, it raises an important point: the conditions of Muslims in the US is far better than what it is in Europe, which is kind of ironic. The comments of the Vatican and the way Europe is trying to hinder the civil rights and religious rights of Muslims are only making things a lot worse between Europeans and Muslims, and it's true that there's also a very strong rightist European reaction. It is something to worry about when Le Pen gets into the final round and recieves 30% of the vote.
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It is something to worry about when Le Pen gets into the final round and recieves 30% of the vote.
I don't know where you get your numbers from but he actually received 16,86 % (1st round) and then 17,79 % of the votes (2nd round).
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I don't know where you get your numbers from but he actually received 16,86 % (1st round) and then 17,79 % of the votes (2nd round).
I got it from the article. He says a third of the French population is willing to vote for Le Pen, which means roughly 33%. I don't know if he's relying on the polls for future elections. The exact numbers anyway aren't the core of the point, so let's not make it as such. The fact remains that Le Pen got through to the second round, and for him to get 16.86% in the first round doesn't make it any less worrying.
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the article is ruined by many of the stupid comments it makes

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I got it from the article. He says a third of the French population is willing to vote for Le Pen, which means roughly 33%. I don't know if he's relying on the polls for future elections. The exact numbers anyway aren't the core of the point, so let's not make it as such. The fact remains that Le Pen got through to the second round, and for him to get 16.86% in the first round doesn't make it any less worrying.
OK I thought you were talking about the last presidential elections ... but you are right the exact numbers aren't really important after all, especially for the NY Post.
http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/polit...6240.html?1246
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And then american posters don't stop talking about anti-americanism among europeans.
This is not just anti-europeanism. This is plain hatred.
Is this consider an earnest newspaper?
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And then american posters don't stop talking about anti-americanism among europeans.
This is not just anti-europeanism. This is plain hatred.
Is this consider an earnest newspaper?
Its a Rupert Murdoch owned tabloid.
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OK I thought you were talking about the last presidential elections ... but you are right the exact numbers aren't really important after all, especially for the NY Post.
http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/polit...6240.html?1246
17% vouloir voter pour lui? I'm surprised he's still relatively popular. But hopefully Royal will win anyway.

As for this article, I think it actually raises some important issues. Like this:

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When Europeans feel sufficiently provoked and threatened - a few serious terrorist attacks could do it - Europe's Muslims will be lucky just to be deported.
Of course this is precisely what I fear. Many people on this board think I'm anti-muslim but in reality I'm not. I just think that Islamic extremism even if by a small minority will lead to the rise of the right in countries like USA, Europe etc... So the onus is on muslims to integrate with the western societies and compromise rather than "it's our way or no way". Because if Islam uses force (like they're doing now) the west will react like the article said.
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i like this article. it can be seen as anti-european, but i don't think it's hateful. in fact, it is directed against certain hateful trends in europe.
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i like this article. it can be seen as anti-european, but i don't think it's hateful. in fact, it is directed against certain hateful trends in europe.
Hateful trends appear because they have an excuse to appear. Are there hateful trends toward Buddhists? Think!
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Hateful trends appear because they have an excuse to appear. Are there hateful trends toward Buddhists? Think!
the article mentions this here:
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real Muslims zealots provide Europe's bigots with all the propaganda they need
thus, europe's bigots can pretend they are defending europe's civilisation while in reality they are defending a different european tradition, the one that this article very accurately describes imo.

also, you say that muslims should integrate, but that's much more difficult than some people think and this is another european problem:
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And the American dream is still alive and well, thanks: Even the newest taxi driver stumbling over his English grammar knows he can truly become an American.
this doesn't really work in europe.
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