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Dutch government backs burqa ban

Last Updated: Friday, 17 November 2006, 17:05 GMT (BBC)

The Dutch cabinet has backed a proposal by the country's immigration minister to ban Muslim women from wearing the burqa in public places.

The burqa, a full body covering that also obscures the face, would be banned by law in the street, and in trains, schools, buses and the law courts.

The cabinet said burqas disturb public order, citizens and safety.

The decision comes days ahead of elections which the ruling centre-right coalition is expected to win.

Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk is known for her tough policies, and has clashed with past coalition partners.

Late last year she said the government would look into a ban after a majority in the Dutch parliament said they were in favour.

But MPs are facing re-election next week and any shift to the left could undermine the proposal.

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After lying dormant for much of the year, the prospect of a ban seems more likely after a report by an expert committee judged that it would not contravene Dutch law.

Other forms of face coverings, such as helmets with visors that obscure the face, would also be covered by a legal ban.

An estimated 5% of people living in the Netherlands are Muslims.

But there are just a few dozen women in the Netherlands who choose to wear the burqa, a traditional Islamic form of dress.

Critics of the proposed ban say it would violate civil rights.

The main Muslim organisation in the Netherlands, CMO, said the plan was an "over-reaction to a very marginal problem", the Associated Press reported.

But Ms Verdonk insisted the burqa was not an acceptable part of public life in the Netherlands.

"The Cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing - including the burqa - is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens," she said.

The country's relationship with its Islamic community has been under scrutiny since the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh by Islamic extremists in November 2004.

The decision by the centre-right government comes days ahead of an election in which questions of immigration and nationality are likely to play a key role.

Earlier this year Ms Verdonk clashed with a minority party in the governing coalition over her handling of the citizenship case of Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

The MP scripted a controversial film about the treatment of women in Islamic society, directed by van Gogh before he was killed.

But she admitted lying on her 1992 application for Dutch citizenship, and Ms Verdonk initially called for the MP to be deported.
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I've seen a trend in Europe and I don't like it.
I've heard from higher UK officials about refusing to talk to women in burqas.
France has had laws agaiinst public display of a faith on a person.
This Dutch law seems the worse of them all.

Yes the Moslem faith has a tendency to degrade women but when they're in Western society they should have the choice.

If they have no issue with the burqa then there's no reason for government to be intolerable to something that shows intolerance itself.
That's not helping anyone.
That's not helping western society's when it comes to Moslems.
This is just the wrong step.

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Personally I think it's a good decision. I'm sorry, but women have fought too damn hard for equality and acceptance over the years. Wearing the headscarf is one thing, but this burqa is damn extreme ---- Women wearing them can commit crimes and get away for crying out loud.
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I think it's an OK decision. While I guess these people should have the choice, I also guess that most Muslims decided to live in NL, so they don't HAVE to live there.

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So did Belgium a while ago and it's a very good decision.

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It is mostly a non-issue, as the number of people actually wearing them is rather limited. And if people choose to wear it, the governement should not intervene. Only where it provides trouble, there should be limits, like when you are a teacher you can't wear one, cause communication with students would be troubled. Those limitations are already possible under current law though. A general ban is not necessary.
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Personally I think it's a good decision. I'm sorry, but women have fought too damn hard for equality and acceptance over the years. Wearing the headscarf is one thing, but this burqa is damn extreme ---- Women wearing them can commit crimes and get away for crying out loud.
Have you ever heard of a women committing a crime and getting away with it because of a burqa?
It's a rarity and not enough of a problem in these countries for them to make it a norm to just ban burqas.
There are intelligent Moslem women in many parts of the world who choose to wear burqas, including some in Iran.
If they don't see a problem with it then why should these government make it an issue.
Being intolerable to the Moslem faith is not the way to change things in this world no matter what western society thinks these burqas represent.

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I understand that in certain jobs a burka is not allowed because it doesn't help the communication. (imho)

But when people want to wear a burka in privat then it's their choice
and to claim that it's for security is pure discrimination. That sounds like people with a burka must be terrorists

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Have you ever heard of a women committing a crime and getting away with it because of a burqa?
It's a rarity and not enough of a problem in these countries for them to make it a norm to just ban burqas.
There are intelligent Moslem women in many parts of the world who choose to wear burqas, including some in Iran.
If they don't see a problem with it then why should these government make it an issue.
Being intolerable to the Moslem faith is not the way to change things in this world no matter what western society thinks these burqas represent.

Did you conveniently forget that Iran is an Islamic country ?
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France has had laws agaiinst public display of a faith on a person in public schools.
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Did you conveniently forget that Iran is an Islamic country ?
No I didn't. The stereotype that comes across though is that these women in countries like Iran don't really know how degrading these burqas are.
They understand what western society thinks of them at the same time they're making sure that progress for women happen in such countries so a burqa is put on the backburner if it ever was an issue in the first place.

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They need to ban anything associated with any religion. They need to ban sunglasses and anything that covers your face, including hair. Clothing needs to be banned in general because you could easily cover your face with it.
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It is mostly a non-issue, as the number of people actually wearing them is rather limited.
That's dangerous reasoning. I suppose the Holocaust was a non-issue because there weren't that many Jews in the world?

This is discrimination, pure and simple.
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maybe Verdonk should start to wear a burka herself!

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