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TO ALL CONSERVATIVES....!! Please tell me...

...what message is being sent by bringing this man back.
Please tell me that this man does not represent you and your Conservative policies. Please tell me that bringing this man back doesn't symbolize what's meant by 'we will work with the Democrats to ...blah-blah-blah ..."

Why does your party insist on screwing itself over and over?

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Holy hell in a handbasket!
I guess it IS true. WOW!

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Senator Trent Lott, left, pushed out of his leadership role in 2002, was named minority whip, the party’s No. 2 position, in the Senate Wednesday. Heading to a news conference with him was the rest of new Republican leadership, from left, Senators John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas; John Ensign
of Nevada; the new minority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky; and Jon Kyl of Arizona.


By MARK LEIBOVICH
Published: November 16, 2006


WASHINGTON, Nov. 15 — In their rehabilitation campaign, Senate Republicans will rely heavily on a man whose recent history is itself a testament to sudden falls, unlikely recoveries and the fickle hands of fortune in American politics.

Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi, who went from Senate minority leader to presumptive majority leader to disgrace in a matter of days four years ago, was elected minority whip, the party’s second-ranking Senate leadership position, on Wednesday.

Usually, the choice of a whip, a vital but unglamorous job, would draw little attention. But the election of Mr. Lott offers an unlikely study in professional redemption.

“One thing that this proves is that the United States Senate, like the American public, likes a comeback story,” said Senator Lamar Alexander, the Tennessee Republican whom Mr. Lott defeated by a single vote.

Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, who was said to be an important supporter of Mr. Lott, added, “He paid a pretty high price for the statement he made.”

Mr. McCain was referring to a 100th birthday party toast for Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina, in which Mr. Lott seemed to praise Mr. Thurmond, a longtime segregationist, for his 1948 presidential campaign. Noting that his home state had voted for Mr. Thurmond then, Mr. Lott added: “We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems.”

Mr. Lott, who was in line to be the Senate majority leader, explained his comments as a well-intentioned tribute to a longtime colleague. He issued serial apologies, but was eventually forced to give up his leadership position.

“We all believe in redemption,” Mr. McCain said Wednesday, adding, “Thank God.”

Republicans favored Mr. Lott for the leadership post largely because of their election losses last week. With Republicans now a minority in the Senate, Mr. Lott was seen as effective in rounding up votes and striking deals. Several senators said the caucus badly needed his legislative expertise, including his ability to work across party lines. (Among the first well-wishers to call him Wednesday were two Democrats, Tom Daschle, the former Senate Democratic leader, and Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts.)

Mr. Lott declined to be interviewed, citing a desire to allow the incoming minority leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, to serve as the spokesman for the leadership team. “I’m going to shock you and defer,” Mr. Lott told reporters. “The spotlight belongs on the leader today.”

Mr. Lott, 65, made his way back into prominence by deploying the same skills that have sustained his political career. He courted and counted his votes carefully. He quietly did committee work and dutifully attended hearings. He earned credit by running for re-election this year rather than retiring, thereby saving what might have been a vulnerable Republican Senate seat. And he bided his time.

Mr. Lott has always been vigilant in allowing reason and results to prevail over emotion. He is a fierce pragmatist, who has spoken of his father’s alcoholism and its effect on him. “It makes you maybe grow up a little early,” he said in 1997.

He has always craved order and leaves little to chance. In the throes of his crisis in 2002, Mr. Lott spent hours bunkered in his home in Pascagoula, Miss., methodically calling friends and colleagues — 50 calls a day — in an effort to save his job. It was a rigorous and disciplined process, similar to the one he followed in recent days as he campaigned quietly for the whip post. He contacted colleagues by phone and in person, emphasizing his ability to get results, his encyclopedic grasp of Senate rules and his skill in working closely with the House.

Once forced out of the leadership, Mr. Lott complained bitterly that Republican senators and the Bush administration had betrayed him.

“I’d been knifed in the back,” Mr. Lott wrote in his book, “Herding Cats: A Life in Politics.” “But in order to be effective again,” he wrote, “I had to shake some of the hands that held the daggers.”

Mr. Alexander recalls seeking Mr. Lott out to make sure he attended a celebration for new senators soon after he stepped down in 2002. Few expected Mr. Lott to attend, and he was not in a celebrating mood. But he showed up . “He wasn’t pouting, “Mr. Alexander said. “He wasn’t feeling sorry for himself.”

Mr. Lott largely undertook his campaign for whip in one-on-one discussions, figuring that a visible effort would bring attention to his past troubles and perhaps scare off potential supporters.

“Nobody knew where he was; it was a stealth candidacy,” said former Senator John B. Breaux, Democrat of Louisiana and one of Mr. Lott’s closest friends. “His strategy was, ‘Run silent, run deep,’ like the old submarine.”

Mr. Lott’s “stealth” return was also forged over many quiet dealings and much legislative grunt work. “He reimmersed himself in committee work, went to a lot of hearings and asked a lot of questions,” said Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine. “Once you’ve been a leader, it’s hard to come back and do these things.”

Mr. Lott’s public fall was followed by a series of blunt remarks befitting a man who felt he had little to lose. “They’re going to have to deal with me,” he said of the Bush administration in a Time magazine interview in September 2003. “And they need to keep me in mind because I can be a problem.”

He became a critic of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld (“I’m not a fan,” he said in 2004.), the failed Supreme Court nominee Harriet E. Miers and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales. He said President Bush should be “ashamed of the abysmal” way he had treated former Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, who resigned this year after months of lukewarm support from the White House. And he took repeated shots at Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, his successor as Republican leader. (Mr. Frist did not seek re-election this year.)

Mr. Lott was at his most fervent after Hurricane Katrina. He became a vocal critic of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, challenged insurance companies that refused to cover damages from the storm and helped secure federal relief money for homeowners.

The hurricane destroyed Mr. Lott’s home on the Gulf Coast and marked a pivot point in his life and career. Mr. Lott and his wife, Tricia, had decided in 2001 that he would not run for re-election this year. But the hurricane, which he called “a disastrous event of biblical proportions,” spurred a reassessment. “I concluded that I still have a zest for the job here in Washington,” he said in a news conference early this year. One of the many congratulatory calls to Mr. Lott on Wednesday came from Donna Brazile, a Democratic strategist and Louisiana native, who said she gained respect for Mr. Lott after the storm.

“I believe in reconciliation; I’ve always believed in that,” Ms. Brazile said. “I’ll never forget the morning that I had to suck it up and call Trent Lott to help me with my relatives in Mississippi.” She added, “On Katrina, he’s just been a champion.”

Among the other callers were President Bush, from Air Force One. Vice President Dick Cheney offered his best wishes in person.

“It’s just a hugely significant political victory for Trent, especially after he had the rug cut out from under him,” Mr. Breaux said.

He said he believed Mr. Lott would thrive, given the makeup of the Senate and his ability to work with Democrats .

Mr. Breaux hastened to add a caveat: “Trent promised me he’d never give speeches at any more birthday parties.”

Robin Toner and Eric Lipton contributed reporting.

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Redemption? Forgiveness? Comeback?

What the heck are these ranking Republicans talking about?

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Couldnt agree with you more, I personally loathe this person. I remember 6 or 7 years ago when Lott made the GOP concession speach (or something like that) and he read this whole statement, charged with totally religious crap, anti-this and anti- that - I cant stand Lott and for me, he is only valuable if I want to laugh "at someone" (which i dont) and if i want to be afraid for the world's future.
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This will be quite an interesting 2 years leading up to the 2008 elections due to this one man. He is a master at stone-walling Bills, and will only serve to complicate an already deteriorating 'Lame Duck' Congress.

So let the games begin!

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Couldnt agree with you more, I personally loathe this person. I remember 6 or 7 years ago when Lott made the GOP concession speach (or something like that) and he read this whole statement, charged with totally religious crap, anti-this and anti- that - I cant stand Lott and for me, he is only valuable if I want to laugh "at someone" (which i dont) and if i want to be afraid for the world's future.
You know, even though I speak of Conservatives and Republicans in a not-so-favorable light , I still have quite a few Conservative relationships. I respect these folks as much as any man could. My ire was aimed directly at the Neo-Conservative [fundamentalist] base and not Republicans or even Conservatives as a whole. But this...
...THIS is a solid step backward, and I just don't understand what good could come of it.

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All I will say is that both Republicans and Democrats have their extremists. BUT a person should be given a second chance. Alan Garcia and Daniel Ortega have been given second chances in ther nations. So far these two are doing a good job. It should be noted that Ortega wa not the official Sadinistas candidate. He was the Ortega candidate.
Anyway, Trent Lott should also be given a second chance.

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All I will say is that both Republicans and Democrats have their extremists. BUT a person should be given a second chance....
Anyway, Trent Lott should also be given a second chance.
He never issued an unconditional apology though (including for other racially insensitive remarks) only an explanation. But you're correct about the Democrats, as Robert Byrd (just re-elected in West Virginia to a record tying 9th 6-year term) has used the N word. Including during the time he was the party's Senate leader from '76 thru ('86?) and wasn't pushed aside, despite also merely "explaining himself".
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He never issued an unconditional apology though (including for other racially insensitive remarks) only an explanation. But you're correct about the Democrats, as Robert Byrd (just re-elected in West Virginia to a record tying 9th 6-year term) has used the N word. Including during the time he was the party's Senate leader from '76 thru ('86?) and wasn't pushed aside, despite also merely "explaining himself".
Aha I did not know that. So I wonder what Reevandynasty has to say about Robert Byrd.
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Aha I did not know that. So I wonder what Reevandynasty has to say about Robert Byrd.

nothing of course...

Lott is not nearly conservative enough for me (or should i say pro free-market and anti-NWO)

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Uh, all 'conservatives' did not vote on Lott.
The shell shocked GOP Senators did.


He is not a popular choice among most conservative pundits
and radio shows and writers. He isn't at all. The Lott decision
is about as liked as the Mel Martinez RNC selection.

They're not. Bush picked Martinez. It's not liked. The Senators
picked Lott, that's not liked.

McConnell as majority leader is a popular, and good, choice.


Most wanted a new face like Thune or Kyl. Or even
Alexander or even Martinez in that role, not RNC Chairman.

Quick..name the last GOP whip? The Democratic whip?

The Majority and Minority Leaders are the real power brokers.
They will tell the Whip what he or she can and cannot do.


But, it is something I understand.

The Senators did and by 1 vote, as McConnell did not vote, he
won the role.


He is a Senate rule book genius. Like Newt was with the House.
Like Daschle was. They're not the most congenial guys, but they
get things done behind the scenes. He's a guy who can broker
deals, and helped create voting blocks. Hard as it may be to believe,
Lott is actually liked in the Senate by both party members. He may
be a jerk, but, he's evidently inside the Senate a classy jerk.

With a 49/49/2 Senate, with 1 independent leaning GOP on foreign
policy issues, deals will have to be made. Blocks created. The GOP
can hold up bills, shape them, and with Lieberman they can even
get their way, or hold up a veto override too w/their votes. Lott
knows how to do that better than anyone else there.

That's why.

He's not a GOP base popular choice.


But, if the Democrats can have Murtha as their Majority leader, why
not. He's got ABSCAM and other shady deals in his past. Which it
seems only now many are being told of - again. If McCain can come
back from the Keating Scandal, I think Lott can from his verbal
gaffe. If Biden can insult Indians with his donut shop comment,
and be forgiven for it, I think old Lott can be given a 2nd chance
after several years of punishment.

I'd prefer Thune myself.
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I'd prefer Thune myself.
The New American puts Thune's voted record at 54% conservative (according to John Birch Society standards), which is rather dreadful but still only 5 Senators have a larger number (65% the highest)...Congressman Ron Paul of Texas once again has a 100% conservative voting record. Republican??? Kirk (IL) has the lowest. Nancy Pelosi (CA) has a 31% rank, which is higher than many, many Republicans...

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Aha I did not know that. So I wonder what Reevandynasty has to say about Robert Byrd.
I'm sure RV will speak for himself but this is my take on the matter. Yes Byrd's past is terrible when it comes to race but so was the whole Democratic party then up to the 60's when the party began to change. A lot of racists Democrats then who wanted to continue with segregation switch to the Republican party including Strom Thurman. That is when most blacks also switch from the Republican party to become Democratics. Also that is why Democrats have a hard time winning elections in the South because the Republicans still race bait to this day.

Byrd claim to be a reformed person and we have to take people at there word until we can prove otherwise. As for Lott the statement was made by him very recently confirming that the Republicans in the South think that America would be better if the civil rights of blacks were still denied.

Just like Allen, Lott's true colors were shown when they thought no one else was "looking". I'm glad their views are not widely tolerated and they have suffered politically for it. It's time America progress for the better and reject these SOB's who want to reclaim the past.

BTW Thurman was against civil rights for blacks but he had no problem having sex with them sounds familiar......

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I'm sure RV will speak for himself but this is my take on the matter. Yes Byrd's past is terrible when it comes to race but so was the whole Democratic party then up to the 60's when the party began to change. A lot of racists Democrats then who wanted to continue with segregation switch to the Republican party including Strom Thurman. That is when most blacks also switch from the Republican party to become Democratics. Also that is why Democrats have a hard time winning elections in the South because the Republicans still race bait to this day.

Byrd claim to be a reformed person and we have to take people at there word until we can prove otherwise. As for Lott the statement was made by him very recently confirming that the Republicans in the South think that America would be better if the civil rights of blacks were still denied.

Just like Allen, Lott's true colors were shown when they thought no one else was "looking". I'm glad their views are not widely tolerated and they have suffered politically for it. It's time America progress for the better and reject these SOB's who want to reclaim the past.
Damn, newbie, you bring the pain!!!
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