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Reuters: Democrats Say Will Push For Withdrawl From Iraq

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats, who won control of the U.S. Congress, said on Sunday they will push for a phased withdrawal of American troops from Iraq to begin in four to six months, but the White House cautioned against fixing timetables.

"First order of business is to change the direction of Iraq policy," said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is expected to be chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the new Congress.

Democrats will press President George W. Bush's administration to tell the Iraqi government that U.S. presence was "not open-ended, and that, as a matter of fact, we need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months," Levin said on ABC's "This Week" program.


Bush has insisted that U.S. troops would not leave until Iraqis were able to take over security for their country, and has repeatedly rejected setting a timetable for withdrawal because, he says, that would only embolden the insurgents.

The White House said, however, that Bush is open to new ideas. Bush will meet on Monday with the bipartisan Iraq Study Group that is expected to recommend alternative policies in its final report.

A suicide bomber killed 35 people at a police recruiting center in Iraq on Sunday in the bloodiest attack in months against recruits.

More than 2,800 American troops have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion and the unpopular war was a key factor in last week's elections in which Bush's Republican Party lost majorities in the Senate and the House of Representatives.

White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten said it was important that any action be taken in a way to ensure that Iraq can succeed and have a democratic government that can sustain and defend itself.


'OPEN TO FRESH IDEAS'

"It's hard for me to see how that can be done on a fixed timetable," Bolten said on ABC's "This Week" program. "But the president's open to fresh ideas here. Everybody's reviewing the situation."

Bush has asked Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, to conduct a review at the Pentagon of Iraq strategy, and other national security agencies to do similar reviews, Bolten said.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said "we need to redeploy," but that the decision should be made by military officers in Iraq.


He said on "Face The Nation" program on CBS that he would not insist on a specific date for drawing down troops, but that a withdrawal should start within the next few months.

The White House says Bush is not to receive final recommendations from the Iraq Study Group -- led by James Baker, a former secretary of state with close ties to the Bush family -- in the Monday meeting.

Bush chose a member of that panel, former CIA Director Robert Gates, to replace Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, whose resignation was announced the day after elections gave control of Congress to Democrats for the first time since 1994.

Sen. Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat who is expected to head the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he was inclined to support Gates, whose nomination requires Senate approval.

"I know some of his views on Iraq. I know he wasn't of the Rumsfeld school. And to put it very, very bluntly, as long as he's not there, Rumsfeld is there," Biden said on ABC.

Biden called for an international conference on Iraq, that would include Iran, Syria and Turkey.

(Additional reporting by Missy
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Pulling out of Iraq right now would be as stupid as Bush's invasion of Iraq. Democrats are probably doing it just for political points and are not really serious about it.
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Should this withdrawal happen, Iraqi President and Prime Minister will share the fate of Nadjibulla very quick..

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its too late for Emily Perez, may she respect in peace. but there is no reason for our best and brightest to keep dieing. if people really believe its good to say in iraq they should volunteer to take the place of someone who needs to come home to their friends and family.

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its too late for Emily Perez, may she respect in peace. but there is no reason for our best and brightest to keep dieing. if people really believe its good to say in iraq they should volunteer to take the place of someone who needs to come home to their friends and family.
All who serve in Iraq volunteered to join US army. End of story. They follow the orders of C-in-C. That's their job. That's what they volunteered for. Army is in war. Tough shit.

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http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...es/casualties/

Here's a list compiled by CNN of ALL American troops which have died during the war.
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Tough shit.
thank fully there are people in this world who value human life. and you should be (but clearly are not) ASHAMED of yourself. "tough shit" vile and disgusting. you are disgusting why is that GOOD people like emily are the ones to go but ... ugh.



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http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...es/casualties/

Here's a list compiled by CNN of ALL American troops which have died during the war.
Unfortunately, there will be more. While starting this war had absolutely nothing to do with US national security and seem to be a aprt of Bush's and his advisors's geopolitcal lunacy, now this war IS about national security of United States. Not only withdrawal of US Army will throw whole Middle East into total chaos ( hello, $6 per hallon gas ), it will also throw this country into hands of Al Qaeda and then.. and then it WILL become a threat to US.. very soon..

We could afford having Saddam run Iraq, as Saddam was mostly harmless for US and could well be even friendly.. But we can not afford to give this country to clerics and Al Qaeda. Even now Iraq is pretty much uncontrolled territory when US and Brits have 150000 or what troops in there. What it will become when US Army is out you can only guess.. And next to it you have Turkey - NATO member, btw, and mostly Muslim country, with its own Kurdish problem ( next to soon growing very volatile Iraqi north ). Next to it you have Iran, who is a nuclear power of tomorrow and Iraq's enemy, and next to it you have Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, who are absolutely vital for US interests, but also totally defenseless on their own in case something happens.. Oh, almost forgot, there is also Israel in there.. Whom everyone else wants to hurt.. So.. you get the picture..

No sane Democratic leader will go for US withdrawal from Iraq any time soon.. That I am quite sure about..

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thank fully there are people in this world who value human life. and you should be (but clearly are not) ASHAMED of yourself. "tough shit" vile and disgusting. you are disgusting why is that GOOD people like emily are the ones to go but ... ugh.
at least she's in peace now, and at least now she is being treated like the angel she always was.
No problem.. We are talking about different things, and I fully understand what you are trying to say. Every story has two sides.. Every life is precious. But two lives outweigh one, and three outweigh two. And that's the logics based on which all political executives in the world will always make their decisions.

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I've always been curious about those who claim to value human life by being against war, but support abortion.

I've always been curious about those who claim to value human life and being against abortion, but support war.

As a libertarian, I support a woman's right to choose what to do with their body; reproductive rights. However, I'm personally against abortion and would never do it myself.
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I've always been curious about those who claim to value human life by being against war, but support abortion.
I agree.
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