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President Clueless 'fesses up: No WMD in Iraq, no connection to 9/11

"In his news conference, the Decider did make a couple of nods to objective reality. He admitted in plain language that Iraq had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks and possessed no weapons of mass destruction -- in other words, that his rationale for this elective, preemptive war had no substance. "
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By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, August 22, 2006; Page A15


For a moment there, I was almost encouraged. George W. Bush, the most resolutely incurious and inflexible of presidents, was reported last week to have been surprised at seeing Iraqi citizens -- who ought to be grateful beneficiaries of the American occupation, I mean "liberation" -- demonstrating in support of Hezbollah and against Israel.

Surprise would be a start, since it would mean the Decider was admitting novel facts to his settled base of knowledge and reacting to them. Alas, it seems the door to the presidential mind is still locked tight. "I don't remember being surprised," he said at his news conference yesterday. "I'm not sure what they mean by that."


I'm guessing "they" might mean that when you try to impose your simplistic, black-and-white template on a kaleidoscopic world, and you end up setting the Middle East on fire, either you're surprised or you're not paying attention. But that's just me.

As for George Bush, what on earth is on his mind?

Even conservatives have begun openly assessing the president's intellect, especially its impermeability to new information. Cable television pundit Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman, devoted a segment of his MSNBC show to "George Bush's mental weakness," with a legend at the bottom of the screen that impertinently asked: "IS BUSH AN 'IDIOT'?"

It's tempting to go there, but I'm not sure we'd get very far. While we have the president on the couch, I'm more interested in trying to understand his emotional response -- or lack of response -- to the chaos he has spawned.

According to the Iraqi government, 3,438 civilians were killed in July, making it the bloodiest month since the invasion. The president was asked yesterday whether the failure of the U.S.-backed "unity" government to stem the orgy of sectarian carnage disappoints him, and he said that no, it didn't. How, I wonder, is that possible? Does he believe it would be a sign of weakness to admit that the flowering of democracy in Iraq isn't going exactly as planned? Does he believe saying everything's just fine will make it so? Is he in denial? Or do 3,438 deaths really just roll off his back after he's had his workout and a nice bike ride?

"I hear a lot of talk about civil war" in Iraq, he allowed -- much of it apparently from his own generals, who have been increasingly bold in using the once-forbidden phrase -- but all that talk doesn't seem to penetrate very far. To the president, is all the bad news from Iraq just "talk" without objective reality?

Here's another line from the president's news conference: "What's very interesting about the violence in Lebanon and the violence in Iraq and the violence in Gaza is this: These are all groups of terrorists who are trying to stop the advance of democracy."

Now, whatever you think about George Bush's intellect, he knows full well that the Hamas government in Gaza was democratically elected. He also knows full well that Hezbollah participates in the democratically elected government of Lebanon, or what's left of Lebanon. And so he has to know full well that U.S.-backed Israeli assaults on Gaza and Lebanon -- even if you believe they were justified -- had the impact of crippling, if not crushing, two nascent democracies of the kind the Bush administration wants to cultivate throughout the Middle East.

He also knows that the Iraqi government has real sovereignty over only the Green Zone in Baghdad -- a fortress made secure by the presence of U.S. troops -- and assorted other enclaves where American and British troops enforce the peace. He has heard the leader of that nominal government praise Hezbollah and denounce Israel.

So when the president lauds democracy as the magic elixir that will cure the scourge of terrorism, is he really putting faith in his favorite mantra rather than his lying eyes? Is his view of the world so unchangeable that he dismisses actual events the way he dismisses mere "talk''?

Or is he just trying to hold on until January 2009, when all this will become somebody else's problem?

In his news conference, the Decider did make a couple of nods to objective reality. He admitted in plain language that Iraq had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks and possessed no weapons of mass destruction -- in other words, that his rationale for this elective, preemptive war had no substance. And he acknowledged a certain occasional exasperation.

"Frustrated? Sometimes I'm frustrated. Rarely surprised," the president said. "Sometimes I'm happy. This is -- but war is not a time of joy. These aren't joyous times."

No, they're not.

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You sound bitter Volcana. No amount of whining from liberal bleeding hearts like you will change the fact that he was re-elected and that he won't be the worst president ever. Considering the circumstances around 9/11 I think he's done a good job.

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You sound bitter Volcana. No amount of whining from liberal bleeding hearts like you will change the fact that he was re-elected and that he won't be the worst president ever. Considering the circumstances around 9/11 I think he's done a good job.

You don't deserve to live in America. Why don't you move to Iraq?
You must be sniffing glue, dropping acid, and smoking that big Fattie Tie-Stick if you seriously believe that.

Topic-wise...
Why are you so offended by what Volcana posted.
The article further confirms what most logic-minded people already knew. That the bum lied.
And if now the President himself is admiting it, then it's news.

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He's so behind in the news, it's funny and sad at the same time.
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You must be sniffing glue, dropping acid, and smoking that big Fattie Tie-Stick if you seriously believe that.

Topic-wise...
Why are you so offended by what Volcana posted.
The article further confirms what most logic-minded people already knew. That the bum lied.
And if now the President himself is admiting it, then it's news.
Volcana has been pulling this shit - the conservatives are bad, liberals are good routine - for the last 5 years. I'm just sick of it.

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ah Sam, changing the topic again so that you wouldn't have to respond to an article that makes some really good points.

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Volcana has been pulling this shit - the conservatives are bad, liberals are good routine - for the last 5 years. I'm just sick of it.
You're pathetic Sam. YOu cant argue the substance of the article so you just attack the poster.

No amount of spin by convervative neocons like yourself will make the iraq war good policy. Im sick of the routine of 'republicans will protect you, liberals will help the enemy routine'. If you dont like it, stay out of the thread you fool.
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I actually agree with SamL by and large. Volcana posts lots of interesting stuff and is obviously very intelligent, has excellent reasoning skills and has the benefit of having a father who was a talented professor. But volcana comes off as way to angry. he bites the hand that feeds him, identifies with terrorists and calls American leaders worse than terrorists. Despite his intelligence, whit and frequent good humour, he's better off in Irak or an Afghanistan around people who think, feel and perhaps even "take action" like himself. It is not intended to be offensive, he is just way off the American mainstream and seems to be looking to inspire other people to become terrorists. Do we let people graduate highschool that espouse these kind of beliefs? if so why?
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I actually agree with SamL by and large. Volcana posts lots of interesting stuff and is obviously very intelligent, has excellent reasoning skills and has the benefit of having a father who was a talented professor. But volcana comes off as way to angry. he bites the hand that feeds him, identifies with terrorists and calls American leaders worse than terrorists. Despite his intelligence, whit and frequent good humour, he's better off in Irak or an Afghanistan around people who think, feel and perhaps even "take action" like himself. It is not intended to be offensive, he is just way off the American mainstream and seems to be looking to inspire other people to become terrorists. Do we let people graduate highschool that espouse these kind of beliefs? if so why?
The American mainstream cheered Bush on during his march to this unjust, illegal, totally bullshit war. America needs more people to go against the mainstream. The PROBLEM is mainstream america.
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The American mainstream cheered Bush on during his march to this unjust, illegal, totally bullshit war. America needs more people to go against the mainstream. The PROBLEM is mainstream america.
Extremes of anti-American attitudes are dangerous to the world as we know it. The American public was justifiably angered by 9/11, we believed that as Iran did (bombed by Israel because of) in previous decades Irak was had weapons of mass destruction. It is undeniable that the parts of the Arab world would eradicate Israel and any presence of western world in Arabia. Point is America is not chearing Bush on any more in this war. Americans didnt know a lot of stuff, just made decisions based on the information that THEY HAD. Volcana's posts just reek of anger and are just too angry and intending to hurt to be of any real use.
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You don't have to be liberal to see Bush's huge faults and mistakes...they positively scream in your face.

His legacy to the next president will be a truly awful one...Post 9/11 there was an opportunity at reconciliation with Iran, instead Bush put them squarely in the Axis of evil, and pushed them into to the arms of their current extremist leader.

We were told the war on Iraq would initmidate its neighbours into reform and negotatiation, this has failed.

We were told it would remove the threat from Irael and therefore allow America finally to put pressure on Israel over the Palestine issue. Bush lied.

We were told Iraq was practically stuffed with WMD's..it wasn't.

We were told the violence in Iraq would be short term, and would settle down after this leader or that was caught or killed...its worse than ever.

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You don't have to be liberal to see Bush's huge faults and mistakes...they positively scream in your face.

His legacy to the next president will be a truly awful one...Post 9/11 there was an opportunity at reconciliation with Iran, instead Bush put them squarely in the Axis of evil, and pushed them into to the arms of their current extremist leader.

We were told the war on Iraq would initmidate its neighbours into reform and negotatiation, this has failed.

We were told it would remove the threat from ISrael and therefore allow America finally to put pressure on Israel over the Palestine issue. Bush lied.

We were told Iraq was practically stuffed with WMD's..it wasn't.

We were told the violence in Iraq would be short term, and would settle down after this leader or that was caught or killed...its worse than ever.
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I actually agree with SamL by and large. Volcana posts lots of interesting stuff and is obviously very intelligent, has excellent reasoning skills and has the benefit of having a father who was a talented professor. But volcana comes off as way to angry. he bites the hand that feeds him, identifies with terrorists and calls American leaders worse than terrorists. Despite his intelligence, whit and frequent good humour, he's better off in Irak or an Afghanistan around people who think, feel and perhaps even "take action" like himself. It is not intended to be offensive, he is just way off the American mainstream and seems to be looking to inspire other people to become terrorists. Do we let people graduate highschool that espouse these kind of beliefs? if so why?
Thank you. I'm not going to respond to anyone in this thread but suffice to say that Sluggy has spoken my thoughts exactly here. And what worries me the most is that there are people like Volcana in America who willingly or unwillingly encouraging terrorism. I think it's disgusting. And nice use of the phrase "bites the hand that feeds him". What has Iraq and Hezbollah done for you Volcana?

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yes, it is way too much. I have no problem with people that against our country. but why not exit the public school system by say ... 14 years of age, come out directly and tell people who you are and what you believe. Publish literature, etc, but remind people you dont ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THE USA BE OVERTHROWN or in a civil war or etc. But I think it is overtly clear you do wish that, and probably it can be inferred that you have not separated yourself from our institutions - probably eat doritos like the rest of us. hehe
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