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Breitbart: Lieberman Calls On Rumsfeld To Resign; Responds to Kerry/Democrat Attacks

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Lieberman Calls on Rumsfeld to Resign
Aug 21 2:36 AM US/Eastern
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Sen. Joe Lieberman, attacked by fellow Democrats as being too close to the White House on the Iraq War, on Sunday called on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign but said the United States cannot "walk away" from the Iraqis.
Lieberman, the one-time Democratic vice presidential candidate, is running as an independent in his bid for a fourth term since losing the Democratic nomination to newcomer Ned Lamont, who harnessed voters' anger against the war in Iraq.

Lieberman, an early supporter of the Iraq war, said he had called for Rumsfeld to step down in 2003.

"With all respect to Don Rumsfeld, who has done a grueling job for six years, we would benefit from new leadership to work with our military in Iraq," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq "to secure the country."

"We had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after," he said.

Lieberman said the administration must "put severe pressure on the Iraqis to contain sectarian violence."

"There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away and leave them to the sure disaster that would follow and would compromise our security in the war on terrorism," he said.

The Lamont campaign issued a statement Sunday criticizing Lieberman for trying to "paint himself as courageous for clinging to the failed 'stay the course' policy in Iraq and not listening to the voters of Connecticut on the need to change course."

"His new found 'criticism' of the war won't convince Connecticut voters after so many years of stubbornly rubber-stamping Bush's failed policies," the statement said.

The war in Iraq was the hallmark of Lamont's primary campaign. He calls for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from what he often refers to as "a bloody civil war," and says he believes that those who got America into the conflict should be held accountable.

Lieberman accused Lamont of distorting his stance on Iraq.

"He made me into a cheerleader for George Bush and everything that's happened," Lieberman said. "And the record shows that, while I believe we did the right thing in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, I've been very critical over the years, particularly in 2003 and 2004, about the failure to send enough American troops to secure the country, about the absence of adequate plans and preparation to deal with post-Saddam Iraq."

"As bad as things are now _ and they've gotten worse in the last six months _ it would be a disaster if America set a deadline and said we're getting all of our troops out by a given date," Lieberman said. "That's a position Ned Lamont has taken."

Tom Swan, campaign manager for Lamont, said Sunday the campaign stands by its criticism of Lieberman as being too close to President Bush.

Asked about Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who was quoted as saying that Lieberman echoes Republicans, Lieberman said it was "just plain politics by somebody who has ambitions of his own."

"I voted 90 percent of the time with a majority of Democrats in the U.S. Senate," he said.

"I'm worried that my party may become what we've accused the Republicans of, a kind of litmus-test party," he said. "If you don't agree with us 100 percent of the time, you don't agree with us. I'm devoted to the Democratic Party."

A new Quinnipiac University poll shows Lamont is trailing Lieberman by 12 percentage points among likely voters. It said much of Lieberman's advantage comes from his popularity among Republicans and unaffiliated voters, the largest voting block in Connecticut. (YEAH!)
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Lieberman Calls on Rumsfeld to Resign
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Sen. Joe Lieberman, attacked by fellow Democrats as being too close to the White House on the Iraq War, on Sunday called on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign but said the United States cannot "walk away" from the Iraqis.
Lieberman, the one-time Democratic vice presidential candidate, is running as an independent in his bid for a fourth term since losing the Democratic nomination to newcomer Ned Lamont, who harnessed voters' anger against the war in Iraq.

Lieberman, an early supporter of the Iraq war, said he had called for Rumsfeld to step down in 2003.

"With all respect to Don Rumsfeld, who has done a grueling job for six years, we would benefit from new leadership to work with our military in Iraq," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq "to secure the country."

"We had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after," he said.

Lieberman said the administration must "put severe pressure on the Iraqis to contain sectarian violence."

"There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away and leave them to the sure disaster that would follow and would compromise our security in the war on terrorism," he said.

The Lamont campaign issued a statement Sunday criticizing Lieberman for trying to "paint himself as courageous for clinging to the failed 'stay the course' policy in Iraq and not listening to the voters of Connecticut on the need to change course."

"His new found 'criticism' of the war won't convince Connecticut voters after so many years of stubbornly rubber-stamping Bush's failed policies," the statement said.

The war in Iraq was the hallmark of Lamont's primary campaign. He calls for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from what he often refers to as "a bloody civil war," and says he believes that those who got America into the conflict should be held accountable.

Lieberman accused Lamont of distorting his stance on Iraq.

"He made me into a cheerleader for George Bush and everything that's happened," Lieberman said. "And the record shows that, while I believe we did the right thing in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, I've been very critical over the years, particularly in 2003 and 2004, about the failure to send enough American troops to secure the country, about the absence of adequate plans and preparation to deal with post-Saddam Iraq."

"As bad as things are now _ and they've gotten worse in the last six months _ it would be a disaster if America set a deadline and said we're getting all of our troops out by a given date," Lieberman said. "That's a position Ned Lamont has taken."

Tom Swan, campaign manager for Lamont, said Sunday the campaign stands by its criticism of Lieberman as being too close to President Bush.

Asked about Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who was quoted as saying that Lieberman echoes Republicans, Lieberman said it was "just plain politics by somebody who has ambitions of his own."

"I voted 90 percent of the time with a majority of Democrats in the U.S. Senate," he said.

"I'm worried that my party may become what we've accused the Republicans of, a kind of litmus-test party," he said. "If you don't agree with us 100 percent of the time, you don't agree with us. I'm devoted to the Democratic Party."

A new Quinnipiac University poll shows Lamont is trailing Lieberman by 12 percentage points among likely voters. It said much of Lieberman's advantage comes from his popularity among Republicans and unaffiliated voters, the largest voting block in Connecticut. (YEAH!)
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Are you proud of your Republican Party and all it's accomplished over the last six years? This is not a trick question. I would honestly like to know.

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I've been meaning to ask you something MarJenAll20...

Are you proud of your Republican Party and all it's accomplished over the last six years? This is not a trick question. I would honestly like to know.
First of all, I'm not Republican. I associate myself with the Libertarian Party.

Secondly, I enjoy the tax cuts passed by Congress and I don't agree with war in Iraq.

However, I do believe in political justice. And I hope Joe Lieberman kicks the Dems ass in November. He's a good man that has always represented Democrats well nationally throughout his career, and as a reward for his hard work and devotion, they kicked him in the teeth.
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First of all, I'm not Republican. I associate myself with the Libertarian Party.

Secondly, I enjoy the tax cuts passed by Congress and I don't agree with war in Iraq.

However, I do believe in political justice. And I hope Joe Lieberman kicks the Dems ass in November. He's a good man that has always represented Democrats well nationally throughout his career, and as a reward for his hard work and devotion, they kicked him in the teeth.
Are you from Connecticut?
If so, as an Independent, would you feel comfortable with him as your Senator?
I take it that you also support the war in Iraq?

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Yeah, he did say that years ago. So, have many others.

Again, Lieberman has voted over 80% of the time with
the Democrats, and has bashed Bush on policy items.
But, he agrees with the bigger picture w/Bush and
a tougher stance. Retreat is not a policy idea, it's
just failure, and a gift to the enemies of this nation.

Fact that he gets the reality that we have
enemies is a big step. Most Democrats at the DNC
don't think we do have any enemies, just pals who
don't like us much. If we just gave them more money
and hugged them more, they'd like us more. The
Sally Field approach I guess. We need to be
really, really liked........



But, replace Rummy with whom?


He's doing a good job in my view, considering the
crap he has had to put up with in doing his job.
Mistakes, sure, a lot of them. But, he's actually
doing a tough job. He's not just talking, he's had
to work as Sec. of Defense. The last few didn't
do much at all. The guy is an easy rod for
attacks, and he's taken it.

But, just in sheer years, he's way beyond what
is normal for a Secretary to achieve. It wouldn't
surprise me if he stepped down any time soon. But,
I think he'd do that for personal reasons, or just
simple toll of years on a tough job. 5 1/2 years
in the #1 high profile tough job, that's a long time.



He'd be replaced by a harsher face I think, or maybe
an old familiar one: Powell, Franks, McCain (nah),
Pace, etc.

Personally, Condi Rice has been the biggest disappointment.
She should resign, and go back to the White House. I
admire her greatly, but, as Sec. of State, so far, she's
flunking in my view.
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I wouldn't mind Rumsfeld stepping down...if he ran for president.

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I wouldn't mind Rumsfeld stepping down...if he ran for president.
I hope that is a joke, even coming from you.

Rumsfeld is incompetent, even his Generals think so.
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they're not allowed to distance themselves from the Repukes until they apologize publicly for all the damage they did to our country by using their big mouths to promote this gop!


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I hope that is a joke, even coming from you.

Rumsfeld is incompetent, even his Generals think so.
That is not true only some of the Generals spoke out against him. But most of the army supported him including the top people. The Iraqi war was bloody and is still going on but Rumsfeld is not to blame but it is Arab money and not just from Syria that is prolonging this conflict. The kurdish areas of Iraq are still far more stable than under Saddam and Rumsfeld helped defeat the Taliban. Sure they are lurking in some of the southern provinces but will they come to power again, i don't think so and Rummy should be thanked for this.
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That is not true only some of the Generals spoke out against him. But most of the army supported him including the top people. The Iraqi war was bloody and is still going on but Rumsfeld is not to blame but it is Arab money and not just from Syria that is prolonging this conflict. The kurdish areas of Iraq are still far more stable than under Saddam and Rumsfeld helped defeat the Taliban. Sure they are lurking in some of the southern provinces but will they come to power again, i don't think so and Rummy should be thanked for this.
You clearly know nothing of the US military. You don't come out swinging against the Secretary while still in the military. Public record and private thoughts are two different things. There is little support for Rummy. Just ask the retired Generals, who can actually speak freely. Rumsfeld incompetence is common knowledge in military circles.
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Are you from Connecticut?
If so, as an Independent, would you feel comfortable with him as your Senator?
I take it that you also support the war in Iraq?
I support our troops in Iraq, but I don't agree with the reasons why we went to war. I think Iran is a much larger threat to US Security than Saddam was/is.

The reason why Lieberman is a front-runner in the Connecticut senate race (and will likely win) is because he's not left or right wing. Lieberman is much more centrist, which is what people better identify with, and trust, vs Lamont who is a left-winged nut implanted by the Democratic party.
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Lamont who is a left-winged nut implanted by the Democratic party.
Lamont was "implanted" by Democratic VOTERS in CT. Up until JoeBordom lost, the Democratic bigwigs were actually working very hard to help him win the primary. But continuing to support Lieberman NOW means telling their core constituents, their party base, to go take a flying leap.

No sane party is going to do that, and if the Dems DID do that, those of you pissing and moaning about how they abandonned Joe would be pissing and moaning about how they turned their backs on actual voters.

I do find it quite telling that the spinsters are pitching this as the Democratic PARTY bailing on Lieberman, rather than focusing their criticism on the primary voters. Because really, what kind of mileage can you get out of attacking everyday folks?

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libertarians my ass!

they're not allowed to distance themselves from the Repukes until they apologize publicly for all the damage they did to our country by using their big mouths to promote this gop!

Given the alternative, which is largely the left-wing Democratic party whose agenda is raising taxes on its citizens which historically burdens democratic societies to the point of ruin (read your history), I don't apologize for agreeing with Republicans, Ronald Reagan or JFK in that instance.

Just as I don't agree with Republicans that continually support corporate welfare which undermines our democratic society, as seen by the fall of the last great world Democracy.

Its not hard to figure out why I don't associate myself with either party. In my opinion, neither have learned from world history well enough to figure out that overbearing government intrusion into our basic liberties and rights as citizens of a democracy overtaxes our basic social structure and collapse could ensue.

Libertarians didn't send US Troops to Vietnam, or Iraq or any other country for that matter. Libertarians didn't create a socialist welfare state in this country, huge trade deficits with the Chinese. So before you demand apologies, look at your own party, really carefully. They've done more to destroy democracy in this country than any Libertarian ever thought of.

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Lamont was "implanted" by Democratic VOTERS in CT. Up until JoeBordom lost, the Democratic bigwigs were actually working very hard to help him win the primary. But continuing to support Lieberman NOW means telling their core constituents, their party base, to go take a flying leap.

No sane party is going to do that, and if the Dems DID do that, those of you pissing and moaning about how they abandonned Joe would be pissing and moaning about how they turned their backs on actual voters.

I do find it quite telling that the spinsters are pitching this as the Democratic PARTY bailing on Lieberman, rather than focusing their criticism on the primary voters. Because really, what kind of mileage can you get out of attacking everyday folks?
Now that the election will be decided by ALL voters of CT, it is no surprise why Lieberman enjoys the lead he does. People do not identify with the lunatic fringe politics of the left wing of the Democratic Party or the right wing of the Republican Party.

Stop being so purposefully naive that the DNC had absolutely nothing to do with Lamont's fundraising, his campaign commercials, and the "Hollywood" factor that might swing Democratic Party voters away from Lieberman. Lieberman's only sin was not agreeing with the Democrats 100% of the time, the same thing Democrats have persecuted Republicans for.

How much mileage do you think Democrats have gotten out the Queen of Scream, Howard Dean??? Just as he screwed his own Presidential ambitions, he'll screw it up for Dems in '08 (if he's not thrown out before then). He's a loose cannon, and its only a matter of time before he implodes.

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