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War on Lebanon: A 'human shield' speaks out on the Hezbollah using 'human shields'

The article covers a first person account from one of the victims of the bombing in Qana.

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Originally Posted by MSNBC.com
Israel’s inquiry into the air strike accused Hezbollah of using civilians as defensive shields and said the residents of Qana and surrounding villages had been warned to leave.
But Rabab denied that Hezbollah fighters used the village to shelter or fired rockets at Israel from there and said Israeli air strikes on roads had prevented her family from leaving. “They cut us off from the world.”

Israeli drones made daily flights over Qana and must have spotted women coming and going from the building, she said.

“We say to Israel; ’You killed us on purpose’ and America gave cover to the killers.”
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The article reports that Rabab Youssef
"denied that Hezbollah fighters used the village to shelter"


"denied that Hezbollah fighters ... fired rockets at Israel from there (Qana)

"Israeli air strikes on roads had prevented her family from leaving"

"Israeli drones made daily flights over Qana and must have spotted women coming and going from the building"

Taken in isolation, that does seem pretty damning. However, an objective look at the situation has to allow for other possibilities.


a) The woman is a Hezbollah supporter, and is covering for fighters in the area. If so, that demonstrates remarkable resolve when your daughter has just been murdered. Still, it's possible.

b) The woman is simply not aware or missiles or fighters in the town, but they are simply in another area. However, one must ask why the building was targeted.

The following passage occurs earlier in the article.
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An Israeli inquiry into the attack said the building was targeted because it was believed to be a “hiding place for terrorists”. The airforce would not have bombed if it had known civilians were there, the inquiry released on Thursday said.
This is where terminology becomes relevant. Did the IDF consider the women sheltering in the building 'terrorists' or 'civilians'? Certainly, Israel uses a lot of drone aircraft, so the idea that they were used in Qana isn't farfeteched. Also, there are women and those considered children who really ARE terrorist in the world. That isn't to say these particular women and children were terrorists, just pointing out that these aren't mutually exclusive groups.

I suppose the relevant question is, when the IDF says the building was bombed because it was thought to be a “hiding place for terrorists”, were these women and children the terrorists they are talking about?

Regrettably, it's a question I don't know that answer to.

See the entire article below.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14167395/

[quote=MSNBC.com]
Buried in rubble, mother saved lives in Qana

Lebanese woman's daughter dies in Israeli strike, but she saves son, others

MSNBC News Services
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ALEY, Lebanon - Rabab Youssef managed to pull her son alive from the rubble in the Lebanese village of Qana. She could do nothing for her daughter.

“I was calling out to her: ‘Where are you Zeinab?’ I heard no reply. I found the hand of a child raised up,” she said, drawing a deep breath and holding back tears. “I felt her and I knew she was dead. I said: ‘My child, I can’t help you.’”

Rabab’s 6-year old daughter was one of dozens of children killed in their sleep by an Israeli air strike on Sunday on a building where more than 60 civilians were sheltering.


Jamal Saidi / Reuters
Rabab Youssef holds her son, Hassan, 4, at a relative's house in Aley, Lebanon, east of Beirut, on Thursday. Youssef and her son were injured in Qana during an Israeli air raid on Sunday. Hassan's sister was among the 54 people killed during that raid.

An Israeli inquiry into the attack said the building was targeted because it was believed to be a “hiding place for terrorists”. The airforce would not have bombed if it had known civilians were there, the inquiry released on Thursday said.

Lebanon says at least 54 civilians died in the building.

But, Human Rights Watch listed the names of 28 known dead from the attack and said that 13 others were missing and might still be buried under the rubble. The discrepancy was attributed to more people surviving than originally listed, the group said.

Like many other villagers, Rabab felt it would be the safest place to escape air strikes which had pounded south Lebanon since war erupted between Israel and Hezbollah on July 12.

She and her son, Hassan, since evacuated by relatives to the relative safety of the mountain town of Aley above Beirut, were among the few survivors.

“He was half covered in rubble. I was too, but I could move my hands. I started throwing the rubble off my son,” said Rabab, the four-year-old at her side, his head wrapped in bandages.

“The neighbors came to see if there was anyone they could help. I said: ’My son -- take him.’”

Rabab, 40, then dug herself out of the debris. Her disabled husband, now in hospital, lay face down, calling for help. “I pulled him up as much as I could so he could breathe,” she said. Then she rescued a neighbor.

'Why did you leave me?'
“If there had been light, I could have looked, searched, helped someone. I didn’t collapse or cry. True my daughter had been martyred, but I felt very strong,” she said.

Hassan fell asleep while being rushed away from the devastation by neighbors. “They thought he had died. They put him in a room and wrapped him in sheets. He was still alive, just sleeping. He later asked: ’Why did you leave me?’”

Lebanese rescue workers did not reach Qana until daybreak, unable to move at night because of Israeli air strikes. “There were many children who died of suffocation,” Rabab said.

Israel’s inquiry into the air strike accused Hezbollah of using civilians as defensive shields and said the residents of Qana and surrounding villages had been warned to leave.

But Rabab denied that Hezbollah fighters used the village to shelter or fired rockets at Israel from there and said Israeli air strikes on roads had prevented her family from leaving. “They cut us off from the world.”

Israeli drones made daily flights over Qana and must have spotted women coming and going from the building, she said.

“We say to Israel; ’You killed us on purpose’ and America gave cover to the killers.”

Washington blames Hezbollah for starting the war by capturing two Israeli soldiers and has backed Israel in the war. Washington lists Hezbollah as a terrorist group.

“If they think Hezbollah are terrorists, then what would you call those who killed us? They think that they support human rights -- let them see what’s happening in south Lebanon,” Rabab said.[/qoute]

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“We say to Israel; ’You killed us on purpose’ and America gave cover to the killers.”
It's always America's fault.

I'm waiting for hezbollah/someone in the dinosaur media/democrat bloggers to say Bush is personally remotely controlling the bombs himself.

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Hezbollah are not forcing them to stay with them but it is their obligation to do so. I guess it must be in their culutre or something. So Israel should intensify their bombings like that the civilians who stay back will leave and Hezbollah will be left behind. This is the best military strategy to take. The only downfall is int. community yapping away at Israel. But sunnis wil not arm hezbollah and Syria and Iran can't alway help Lebanon alone.
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"...True my daughter had been martyred, but I felt very strong,” she said.
Martyred?! Isn't that the word used for someone who "dies for the cause"???


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Martyred?! Isn't that the word used for someone who "dies for the cause"???

Some Islamic people believes that in those case of death, the one who died becoming to "Shahid"
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Hezbollah are not forcing them to stay with them but it is their obligation to do so. I guess it must be in their culutre or something. So Israel should intensify their bombings like that the civilians who stay back will leave and Hezbollah will be left behind.
The comment that the Lebanese civilians are making over and over is that they won't let what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 to happen to them. That is, leaving a war zone, and then having their land stolen.

The Lebanese people, not just the army, but the people, have the right to defend their land against invaders.

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