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WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday after two days of emotional debate to expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, sending the measure to President Bush for a promised veto that would be the first of his presidency.

The bill passed 63-37, four votes short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override Bush's veto. The president left little doubt he would reject the bill despite late appeals on its behalf from fellow Republicans Nancy Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"The simple answer is he thinks murder's wrong," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "The president is not going to get on the slippery slope of taking something living and making it dead for the purposes of scientific research."

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Why is Bush the only one who doesn't 'get it'?

Anyway, this is the right move in the right direction. And the Senate approval numbers 'for' this issue is improving. Just four move votes and Bush will be powerless to veto the next time around.

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its really simple, nutjobs will be against stem cell research till someone they know personally suffers from something they think might be helped by the research. but they dont care what the impact is until it affects them personally.

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its really simple, nutjobs will be against stem cell research till someone they know personally suffers from something they think might be helped by the research. but they dont care what the impact is until it affects them personally.
The Reagan family is undeniable proof of this.

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"The simple answer is he thinks murder's wrong."



Well, that explains the war in Iraq. And his being pro-death penalty.

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"The simple answer is he thinks murder's wrong," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "The president is not going to get on the slippery slope of taking something living and making it dead for the purposes of scientific research."
The simple answer is that the president wants to garner more socially conservative support.

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The Reagan family is undeniable proof of this.
so very very very true

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Republicans are pissed at Bush right now. Him being so unpopular is costing them a lot of votes... now this. A Republican vetoing a bill on Stem Cell research will lose them a lot of votes from moderates and conservatives alike.

It would be so awesome if they could manage to get the votes together to override his veto.
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The Reagan family is undeniable proof of this.
So what, it is the thought that counts. Ms. Reagan was courageous and oh not all Republicans are against stem cell research. McCain seems to be in support of it.
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Embryonic stem cell research is not illegal in the USA.
Bush only signed off on preventing federal funds being
used for embryonic stem cell research.

Any private group or state (like California) can do it
right now.

What he has opposed, and I think w/good reason, is
the creation of embryos for science only. We are not
told what happens to the thousands or millions of
embryos that will not be used or are used unsuccessfully.
That's the problem area of all of this. What are we
doing with embryos? Who has the power over them?
Who has the last say?

Fact is, as even the Wash. Post pointed out this week,
embryonic stem cell science is not as great as it has
been hyped...it isn't the cure all promised.

Truth is that adult stem cell science is and has been
far more promising.

Truth is that Bush has authorized more federal funds
for adult stem cell research than any other President -
Clinton punted on this issue for 8 years.

Fact is that Bush also authorized more embryonic stem
cell research from the lines that they already had. He
put millions into it.

Much like global warming, we're being told there is
a done deal - it's all a fact, the science is in, when in
fact, it isn't.

Why would a private company invest money into embryonic
stem cell research, when it can get paid by the federal
govt. to do it, if they can push the idea and agenda to
get it. Billions are at stake - do they invest their own
money or wait to get paid to do the research?
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Embryonic stem cell research is not illegal in the USA.
Bush only signed off on preventing federal funds being
used for embryonic stem cell research.

Any private group or state (like California) can do it
right now.

What he has opposed, and I think w/good reason, is
the creation of embryos for science only. We are not
told what happens to the thousands or millions of
embryos that will not be used or are used unsuccessfully.
That's the problem area of all of this. What are we
doing with embryos? Who has the power over them?
Who has the last say?

Fact is, as even the Wash. Post pointed out this week,
embryonic stem cell science is not as great as it has
been hyped...it isn't the cure all promised.

Truth is that adult stem cell science is and has been
far more promising.

Truth is that Bush has authorized more federal funds
for adult stem cell research than any other President -
Clinton punted on this issue for 8 years.

Fact is that Bush also authorized more embryonic stem
cell research from the lines that they already had. He
put millions into it.

Much like global warming, we're being told there is
a done deal - it's all a fact, the science is in, when in
fact, it isn't.

Why would a private company invest money into embryonic
stem cell research, when it can get paid by the federal
govt. to do it, if they can push the idea and agenda to
get it. Billions are at stake - do they invest their own
money or wait to get paid to do the research?
They won't listen to facts on this board when it comes to Bush.

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Originally Posted by samsung101
Embryonic stem cell research is not illegal in the USA.
Bush only signed off on preventing federal funds being
used for embryonic stem cell research.

Any private group or state (like California) can do it
right now.

What he has opposed, and I think w/good reason, is
the creation of embryos for science only. We are not
told what happens to the thousands or millions of
embryos that will not be used or are used unsuccessfully.
That's the problem area of all of this. What are we
doing with embryos? Who has the power over them?
Who has the last say?

Fact is, as even the Wash. Post pointed out this week,
embryonic stem cell science is not as great as it has
been hyped...it isn't the cure all promised.

Truth is that adult stem cell science is and has been
far more promising.

Truth is that Bush has authorized more federal funds
for adult stem cell research than any other President -
Clinton punted on this issue for 8 years.

Fact is that Bush also authorized more embryonic stem
cell research from the lines that they already had. He
put millions into it.

Much like global warming, we're being told there is
a done deal - it's all a fact, the science is in, when in
fact, it isn't.

Why would a private company invest money into embryonic
stem cell research, when it can get paid by the federal
govt. to do it, if they can push the idea and agenda to
get it. Billions are at stake - do they invest their own
money or wait to get paid to do the research?
Interesting post Samsung.. Definitely made me take a step back and think.. I do appreciate your opinion on this topic..

Apart from your mention of global warming (where apart from a few sidelined scientists, the OVERWHELMING majority of the scientific evidence is all in agreement) it was a good thought provoking post...
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Originally Posted by samsung101
Embryonic stem cell research is not illegal in the USA.
Bush only signed off on preventing federal funds being
used for embryonic stem cell research.

Any private group or state (like California) can do it
right now.

What he has opposed, and I think w/good reason, is
the creation of embryos for science only. We are not
told what happens to the thousands or millions of
embryos that will not be used or are used unsuccessfully.
That's the problem area of all of this. What are we
doing with embryos? Who has the power over them?
Who has the last say?

Fact is, as even the Wash. Post pointed out this week,
embryonic stem cell science is not as great as it has
been hyped...it isn't the cure all promised.

Truth is that adult stem cell science is and has been
far more promising.

Truth is that Bush has authorized more federal funds
for adult stem cell research than any other President -
Clinton punted on this issue for 8 years.

Fact is that Bush also authorized more embryonic stem
cell research from the lines that they already had. He
put millions into it.

Much like global warming, we're being told there is
a done deal - it's all a fact, the science is in, when in
fact, it isn't.

Why would a private company invest money into embryonic
stem cell research, when it can get paid by the federal
govt. to do it, if they can push the idea and agenda to
get it. Billions are at stake - do they invest their own
money or wait to get paid to do the research?


I'm sure they could establish some regulatory commission or propose a bill that would set specific guidelines for embryonic stem cell use. Science and technology are always changing so you just can't say that adult stem cells are more promising. We probably haven't put enough research into embryonic stem cell research to obtain any valuable information. If I can recall, in an experiment scientist injected embryonic stem cells into a mouse that was completely paralyzed and after a couple of days, he regained 70% movement within his legs. Scientist are doing the exact same thing in S. Korea and other countries. All areas in this research must be explored and FUNDED. The discovery of stem cells is fairly new (98) so you can't compare the research on something that has been federally funded and known since in 1960's to something that is privately researched and only know in existence for 8 years. Why wouldn't this research be put forward. Millions of lives are at stake
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Republicans are pissed at Bush right now. Him being so unpopular is costing them a lot of votes... now this. A Republican vetoing a bill on Stem Cell research will lose them a lot of votes from moderates and conservatives alike.

It would be so awesome if they could manage to get the votes together to override his veto.

They were 1 vote away (I think) from the 2/3 majority so it is possible.
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He just vetoed the bill. The Senate was 4 votes away from a 2/3 majority. If Bush is soo against the killing of innocent lives, them why did we invade Iraq, why does he support Israel in their terror rant (granted that Hezbollah was asking for it). why hasn't he attacked the infertility clinics, and the biggest of all why hasn't he supported that embryonic stem cell research be banned all along. He is a mumbling idiot and has no idea what he is talking about, he just says the word moral and everything is justified. He lied to the American people not only in the beginning of the stem cell debate but the end just as this article outlines.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13935219/
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