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"Stay the course" in Iraq? The Numbers say NO!

May 2003, May 2004, May 2005, May 2006


Iraqi Civilian Deaths- 205, 1,000, 1,000, 1,500

Multifatality Bombings- 0, 9, 36, 56

Iraqis Kidnapped per Day- 2, 10, 25, 35

Estimated Number
of Insurgents- 3,000, 15,000, 16,000, 20,000

Estimated Number
of Foreign Fighters- 100, 500, 1,000 1,500

Daily Attacks
by Insurgents- 5, 53, 70, 90

Monthly Incidents of
Sectarian Violence- 5, 10, 20, 250

Source- New York Times- June 16, 2006

Clearly, what the U.S. is doing in Iraq has had terrible results. The politicians can wag their fingers and talk all they want; the facts speak for themselves. The Bush administration miscalculated and blew it.

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Thanks for the good news and I am being serious here. Good to see the enemy killing each other. I hope they get into record numbers soon.
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Thanks for the good news and I am being serious here. Good to see the enemy killing each other. I hope they get into record numbers soon.
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I feel like we went in there and disrupted the status quo, so we have the duty not to leave until it's stabilized again. And let's face it, we won't be totally gone for decades. It'll be like South Korea with a "presence" for years.

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Thanks for the good news and I am being serious here. Good to see the enemy killing each other. I hope they get into record numbers soon.
Iraqi civilians are your enemies?
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Nice way to mute the pre-pubescent. FAR too many lost now that North Korea can send a missile further than 50 meters...unlike Iraq.

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Thanks for the good news and I am being serious here. Good to see the enemy killing each other. I hope they get into record numbers soon.
If they are all the enemy, why did we liberate them?


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If they are all the enemy, why did we liberate them?
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I feel like we went in there and disrupted the status quo, so we have the duty not to leave until it's stabilized again. And let's face it, we won't be totally gone for decades. It'll be like South Korea with a "presence" for years.
With all due respect to Helen Lawson, the ground under who's feet I worship, it seems that our presence in Iraq itself is destabilizing. The longer the U.S. has a military presence in Iraq the worse the fighting gets, so how can we stay until it's stabilized. That's like saying we have to keep drinking whisky until we're sober. I think we need to set a time-table for our withdrawl, enlist as much help as possible from the United Nations and the international community, and get the hell out.

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If they are all the enemy, why did we liberate them?
One word---- Oil
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Shuddup...you make too much sense...

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I don't think oil was the sole reasoning behind Iraq. Think of all the other ways people have made a profit of the war. When you destroy a country and have to rebuild it, that creates some HUGE contracts for reconstruction.


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Iraqi civilians are your enemies?
Civilians back the milita so yes a lot of them are the enemy. The Kurds though are our friends and the region remains stable today. I hope that our kurdish friends will get back Kirkurk which is their Jerusalem.
The Shiites are less radical than the Sunni Arabs. Iran is not only more moderate than Saudi Arabia but its society is also more moderate than avrage sunni Arab society. Egypt despite being run by seculars has a more conservative society than that found in Iran. Shiites also are supposed to pray 3 times a day compared with 5 times with Sunnis.

Look I am not a monster but it is better to see the enemy kill themselves than target the West in the West or in Iraq. There are less western soldiers killed today than months ago. Next time Meyer can do a survey on that.

One important thing to remember is that Iraqi society was also violent in the days of Saddam. Remember, 100'000 kurds and 100'000 Shiites were said to have been killed at different intervals. So the killings today is a contuniation and not statrewd after saddam was toppled. Meyer who I suspect to be over 30n like me may remeber this from the 1st Gulf wat and Hadidja in Iraqi Kurdistan.
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That really lays it out. It shows you what a big fat failure Bush is Saddam is on trial for killing far less than the US army Will the US ever go on trial?
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