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yipes - just got my first bittorrent warning! :scared:

So I got this email this morning from my ISP, saying that a company called BayTSP, working on behalf of Paramount Pictures, had found evidence that a computer at my router's IP address had downloaded a certain Paramount film using the BitTorrent protocol.

This is absolutely true, in fact, over the past 2 years, my housemate and I have downloaded literally hundreds of gigabytes of films, music and software from various p2p networks (mostly BT). But this is the first time I've been caught with my hand in the cookie jar (although it's slightly ironic because I never actually completed the download of the film in question).

Anyway they did not threaten any legal action in the email, just warned me that I should desist from infringing Paramout's copyright. So for now I've stopped all my downloads while I decide what to do next:

-stop using BT altogether?
-change to a different ISP until I get another warning, and so on?
-keep downloading?
-keep downloading but strictly avoid all Paramount films?
-use a different p2p protocol? (I looked into Usenet a while back but it was too complicated)

I think I'll probably proceed with caution by avoiding all Paramount content; the thing is, if these companies are scanning the BT networks and getting the IPs of infringers, how long will it be before I get a similar email from Universal, or Columbia, or whoever else is a major player in the MPAA?

Or, for that matter, how long will it be before the police kick down my door and seize all the computers in the house? aranoid: (This is my worst fear since it would take me a good while to destroy all the evidence on my systems. But I don't think that can happen without sufficient warnings.)
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umm, i vote stop stealing shit altogether... its a felony now, what you admit to doing, (maybe the laws will change but for the time being it is a felony) and just feel lucky you havent gotten sued and move on with your life. its not the end of the world if you cant watch stolen movies.

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I have to say I do "steal" music & movies, however practically everyone downloads music, and the only movies I download are foreign ones which I can't find on DVD anywhere near where I live. I wouldn't download big budget films at the movies and such, I'd rather have them on DVD anyway.

My suggestion, stop downloading those types of films.

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In fact you can keep downloading coz its not illegal.Its a long story but you must not have more than one copy of a movie/game/song
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I wouldn't download big budget films at the movies and such, I'd rather have them on DVD anyway.
What about downloading the DVDs
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What about downloading the DVDs
That's what I mean .... The big budget films that come out at the movies and then come out on DVD and the DVD high quality movies are put on the net

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That's what I mean .... The big budget films that come out at the movies and then come out on DVD and the DVD high quality movies are put on the net
Ahhh now I understand
Right now I`m making this:
Download the DVD,put it in the DVD Box and print the cover and there is absolutly no difference from the DVD that is worth 15-20 euro And it cost me something like 0,75 euro Well,I need money for tennis and clubs
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In fact you can keep downloading coz its not illegal.Its a long story but you must not have more than one copy of a movie/game/song
i dont know where you are talking about. but in the us, its completely illegal regardless how many copies you own. its still illegal if you were in the movies yourself.

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How about downloading current series from TV?

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How about downloading current series from TV?
ok, its really simple, in america at least... anything (yes anything) made after the 1920's that is not creative commons, is copyrighted and thus can not be downloaded legally without the written consent of the copyright holder.

its easy to spot something that is creative commons or copyright free because it will say so at the beginning if its a movie or song, or somewhere on the image if it is a picture.

the eff and other org.s would like to make it easier for things that have on unclaimed to go into public domain, but companies like disney who have old things (1920-1930s) that they would like to keep holding sole rights over have forced the length of time before something goes into public domain to be lengthened.

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I try not to download movies,or I sometimes download 1 or 2 that I cannot find here

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-stop using BT altogether?
It might be an idea. Other P2P programs are not any safer, I don't think.

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-change to a different ISP until I get another warning, and so on?
Probably gives you a clean slate. I've seen this recommended but some people get sued without warning letters.

Obviously, if your IP address is dynamic and changes everytime you go online, then they can only link it to your ISP, it's your ISP which would have to tell them you're a repeat offender.

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-keep downloading?
It's up to you. It's only a warning letter. If you keep going, you might get more warning letters then eventually forced into a financial settlement of maybe five thousand US dollars. Or you might get no warning letters at all and be forced into a financial settlement of the same money. Chances are you'd go for years before it happens again.

If you think what you get from piracy is worth that kind of money, then you might as well keep going.

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-keep downloading but strictly avoid all Paramount films?
BayTSP may be working for more than one movie company, and could know it was you again if you stay with your ISP.

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-use a different p2p protocol? (I looked into Usenet a while back but it was too complicated)
I've seen both newsgroups/usenet and private Bittorrent groups recommended but have no idea how safe they are.

Somethings I'd add as possibilities:

Getting a faster connection = less time visible online

Ask if a friend already has the file = risk is spread between you

Wait until anonymous P2P programs improve

I have no idea what you should do. At least it's only a warning.
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How about downloading current series from TV?
I've only ever heard of movies and music getting members of the public in trouble. Never TV programmes, computer programs, books, etc.

I'm not sure why that is other than music and movie companies seem to like to prosecute people a lot more. Of course, many TV series are produced by companies which also produce movies and music.

But I've still never heard it happening.
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They also usually target those who feed other P2P'ers correct? Like in Bittorrent, those who seed for other people.

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Right now I'm considering the theory that the "investigation companies" have a reasonably short list (e.g. a few hundred at any one time) of "hot items" which they monitor - e.g. the studios' latest big film releases. And that by avoiding these "hot items" it may be possible to stay under the radar. So I may yet continue to download such things as obscure, old or foreign movies, and movies that are not affiliated with any of the major studios. That's mainly what I prefer to watch anyway. If I want to download a current blockbuster I will probably look into an alternative protocol.
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