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USA occupation of Iraq: Iraqi Prime Minister wants timetable for USA withdrawal

I concede that the following excerpts are from MSNBC.com, which has to be regarded as a news source that generally chooses to avoid challenging even the most obvious lies of the Bush administration. Unbiased, they surely are not. But the article is interesting for all of that, and more relibale sources report the same facts, in the main.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13521628/site/newsweek/

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June 24, 2006 - A timetable for withdrawal of occupation troops from Iraq. Amnesty for all insurgents who attacked U.S. and Iraqi military targets. Release of all security detainees from U.S. and Iraqi prisons. Compensation for victims of coalition military operations. Those sound like the demands of some of the insurgents themselves, and in fact they are. But they're also key clauses of a national reconciliation plan drafted by new Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who will unveil it Sunday. The provisions will spark sharp debate in Iraq—but the fiercest opposition is likely to come from Washington, which has opposed any talk of timetables, or of amnesty for insurgents who have attacked American soldiers.

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This plan follows a series of secret negotiations over the past two months between seven insurgent groups, President Jalal Talabani and officials of the U.S. embassy. The insurgent groups involved are Sunnis but do not include foreign jihadis like al Qaeda and other terrorist factions who deliberately target civilians; those groups have always denounced any negotiations.

The distinction between insurgents and terrorists is one of the key principles in the document, and is in response to Sunni politicians' demands that the "national resistance" should not be punished for what they see as legitimate self-defense in attacks against a foreign occupying power. Principle No. 19 calls for "Recognizing the legitimacy of the national resistance and differentiating or separating it from terrorism" while "encouraging the national resistance to enroll in the political process and recognizing the necessity of the participation of the national resistance in the national reconciliation dialogue."

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Equally contentious from the U.S. point of view is the idea of granting amnesty to insurgents who have attacked and killed American soldiers. That is almost taken as a given by Iraqi negotiators, however. The draft plan calls for the release of all security detainees being held without charges in the country, estimated at as many as 14,000, going far beyond Maliki's announcement two weeks ago that he would be releasing 2,500 such detainees. In addition, the draft plan suggests forming a committee to decide on release of those convicted of crimes already. In both cases, those convicted of common crimes or of terrorism would be exempted from the amnesty.

The devil will likely be in the details. Everyone agrees for instance that a bomb set off in a mosque is terrorism. But if a roadside bomb is set off targeting soldiers, but killing innocent bystanders—is that resistance, or terrorism? "A lot will depend on the exact wording," says Othman.
So who REALLY runs Iraq? Is it truly a sovereign country? Or is it simply another Occupied Territory. Nor more independent than the West Bank of Palestine is from Israel? Who has more authority? A private in the USA Army? Or the Prime Minister of Iraq?

Or maybe the answer is a mercenary working for no one but Haliburton....

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One of the most significant issues raised in the cite is that there is a major disctinction between 'resistance' and 'jihadis'. The resistance has been strongly endorsed by the Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars which is the most influential grouping in that sect:


http://www.merip.org/mer/mer237/meijer.html


And, as you can see, it is willing to align itself with the largest Shiia faction comprised of Moqtada al-Sadr and his group.

Clearly then the largely Kurdi-Shiia government alliance, along with the majority of Sunnis, represent the majority of Iraq's people. And it is only too obvious that this majority wants Bush's occupational forces out of Iraq. But, it is as I wrote on this forum before: there will be a continued foreign occupation as long as there is a profit to be made. See my earlier post regarding Republican Kevin Phillips' American Theocracy for further proof.

Only a damn fool would deny this obvious truth.

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Everyone needs to get the fuck out and see what happens....it's not difficult to fly back in should it be needed.

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Poppy fields have never been bigger in Iraq since this invasion. I agree that America (and allied forces) needed to make a change. It's getting past ridiculous now, all we have these days are body bags and coffins on planes. Let the country breathe and see where the hell it is at.

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Congressman John Murtha's re-deployment plan both gets the troops out, and keeps them in range of anyplace they'd be needed. But we need to every single soldier, and every single base out of Iraq. Until that happens, the USA has no credibility.

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Congressman John Murtha's re-deployment plan both gets the troops out, and keeps them in range of anyplace they'd be needed. But we need to every single soldier, and every single base out of Iraq. Until that happens, the USA has no credibility.
I'm not an American Basher by any means.

Creditability??? You have a weak leadership with stronger troops.

George W Jnr was the best man for the job? ROFLMFAO. I know you have a symbol on the 1$ bill that is mormon (owl)....The Bush's can be related to Hitler through the Mormon movement. A just govern?

The rest of the world are laughing at the States (yes deal with it)!!

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You have a weak leadership with stronger troops.
Most Americans agree with that assessment, if polls mean anything.

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