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Pentagon Lists Homosexuality As Disorder

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - A Pentagon document classifies homosexuality as a mental disorder, decades after mental health experts abandoned that position.

The document outlines retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities, and in a section on defects lists homosexuality alongside mental retardation and personality disorders.

Critics said the reference underscores the Pentagon's failing policies on gays, and adds to a culture that has created uncertainty and insecurity around the treatment of homosexual service members, leading to anti-gay harassment.

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jeremy M. Martin said the policy document is under review.

The Pentagon has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.

The Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military, at the University of California at Santa Barbara, uncovered the document and pointed to it as further proof that the military deserves failing grades for its treatment of gays.

Nathaniel Frank, senior research fellow at the center, said, "The policy reflects the department's continued misunderstanding of homosexuality and makes it more difficult for gays and lesbians to access mental health services."

The document, called a Defense Department Instruction, was condemned by medical professionals, members of Congress and other experts, including the American Psychiatric Association.

"It is disappointing that certain Department of Defense instructions include homosexuality as a 'mental disorder' more than 30 years after the mental health community recognized that such a classification was a mistake," said Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass.

Congress members noted that other Pentagon regulations dealing with mental health do not include homosexuality on any lists of psychological disorders. And in a letter to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Monday, nine lawmakers asked for a full review of all documents and policies to ensure they reflect that same standard.

"Based on scientific and medical evidence the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 _ a position shared by all other major health and mental health organizations based on their own review of the science," James H. Scully Jr., head of the psychiatric association, said in a letter to the Defense Department's top doctor earlier this month.

There were 726 military members discharged under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy during the budget year that ended last Sept. 30. That marked the first year since 2001 that the total had increased. The number of discharges had declined each year since it peaked at 1,227 in 2001, and had fallen to 653 in 2004.
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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.

However, I don't agree with the mentioned "policy".

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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.

However, I don't agree with the mentioned "policy".
In my world, self hate is a disorder.

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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.

However, I don't agree with the mentioned "policy".


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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.
This will sound more harsh than I mean it to, but personally I think the "disorder" is not your homosexuality, but your insecurity and inability to accept and like yourself as you are.

I'm sure it does affect your life, just like being a lesbian somtimes affects my life in ways I don't like - but that's because OTHER people have a problem and a "disorder" if you will, not because I do.

back on topic, I'd be curious to know when this classification was added to the Pentagon's list.

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I always thought it was kinda queer, but not a mental disorder really. Heck if 10% of the world is gay, how "disorderly" can it be? so no, i dont think it is a disorder, it's just a bit different, that's all.
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Well, since it's a "disorder", and I had this disorder when I was in the military back in the 80s, does that mean I qualify for full Veteran's benefits because I had a mental "disorder" during active duty? I wonder what the Pentagon and the CDC's policy is on that little off-shoot of the labelling process.

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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.

However, I don't agree with the mentioned "policy".
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This will sound more harsh than I mean it to, but personally I think the "disorder" is not your homosexuality, but your insecurity and inability to accept and like yourself as you are.

I'm sure it does affect your life, just like being a lesbian somtimes affects my life in ways I don't like - but that's because OTHER people have a problem and a "disorder" if you will, not because I do.

back on topic, I'd be curious to know when this classification was added to the Pentagon's list.

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no, don´t try to turn it around!
Why? You think encouraging self-hatred is better?

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It is a mental disorder. Despite what anyone says, I didn't choose to be this way, I don't want to be this way and I feel that it affects my life and is not within the realms of normality. Therefore I also accept it as a disorder.

However, I don't agree with the mentioned "policy".
Well, with that logic think of how many "disorders" there are. Red heads, for example. They didn't choose to be redheaded, they don't want them to be redheaded, it affects their life because they can't get rid of their freckles and wear clothes that match their hair, it is the most unpopular natural hair colour.

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Well, with that logic think of how many "disorders" there are. Red heads, for example. They didn't choose to be redheaded, they don't want them to be redheaded, it affects their life because they can't get rid of their freckles and wear clothes that match their hair, it is the most unpopular natural hair colour.


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Hello. I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but how do people view homosexuality in light of "other" sexual orientations: Polygamy, pedophilia. Outside of the fact that often (AND NOT ALWAYS) pedophiles hurt their victims, who are children-- they can also be termed another "orientation" and the same arguments used to justify homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle can be applied to polygamy and pedophilia. This question came up when I shared with someone information about that Dutch political group that centred their policies on being "pedo" friendly.

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Polygamy isn't a sexual orientation, it's a familial structure. As an aside, I don't really have a problem with it. So long as the people involved are aware of what's going on, and are capable of consenting in a meaningful way (they aren't coerced, they can really understand what they're consenting TO, it's not an exploitative situation, etc.), who am I to object? Same standard I apply to all intimate relationships.

Hmm, maybe that's not an aside...the objection to pedophilia is that kids really aren't in a position to truly consent when dealing with an adult.

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