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The National Rifle Association: What do you think about it?

Since i know next to nothing abou it, i am pretty ignorant about it. All in all though, my attitude has changed. I'd love to own a weapon. Of course, I'd be fearful of where to keep it, and how to keep it out of reach of people, but they have guns now that won't shoot unless the gun recognizes your own finger printing, so it puts the owner in control.

For anyone living anywhere, the need to feel able to defend yourself is vital. And, if i lived in a rural setting, where law & order can be an hour away, wtf am i supposed to do to defend my family? And what about the farm animals? got to keep them safe too from the wolves. anyway, I'm down with guns now. I know what you are going to say... but the illegal market in guns exists anyway, the bad guys have guns, so why cant the good guys?

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Well. Bowling for Columbine (The Oscar winner documentary) talks about this pretty much. You can rent it, I think it is a great movie.

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Well. Bowling for Columbine (The Oscar winner documentary) talks about this pretty much. You can rent it, I think it is a great movie.
The movie sucked. I hated how Moore badgered Charlton Heston an old man who is suffering from Alzheimer's disease. Charlton was never aggressive with Moore and politely told him to leave when Moore was being the nuisance that he is. He almost did the samething with Dick Clark but that guy was wise enough to run off.
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I own several firearms and firmly believe in the right to bear arms, but the NRA has adopted a political agenda that far excedes their original mission, an agenda that I strongly oppose.

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I own several firearms and firmly believe in the right to bear arms, but the NRA has adopted a political agenda that far excedes their original mission, an agenda that I strongly oppose.
well most organizations these days have political agendas so NRA is no exeption. You then don't like NRA vbecasue you don't share same political views as it. But you cannot say that it far excedes its original mission since every one else does it. Anyway I support NRA though I don't like to see guns sold in supermarkets if that really happens.
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I think by getting into the political arena to the extent they have, the NRA has watered down their effectiveness when it comes to promoting firearms safety and education. They have turned-off a number of firearms owners who would otherwise support the NRA.

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I hated how Moore badgered Charlton Heston an old man who is suffering from Alzheimer's disease.
I actually agree with you on this. 5 or 10 years prior, it would have been a fair "fight," but Heston's faculties had clearly declined.

That said, the NRA certainly had no qualms about using and exploiting an Alzheimer-riddled old gentleman for PR purposes, either, so I'm not sure that Moore's the only one who deserves a scolding on that account. And the rallies they staged in communities dealing with the aftermath of gun violence was also quite insensitive. I guess you're not interested in applying the same standard of conduct to the NRA and it's representitives?

The NRA has gone beyond it's orginal mission - that it's their right to do so, and that other organizations have done the same thing doesn't change that fact. I do appreciate that they still do SOME education and training, but to me it's far overshadowed by their zeal to oppose ANY form of fire arms regulation, not matter how reasonable.

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I get drunk too much to have a gun around the house.

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The NRA is a good organization.

No group helps educate gun owners more, has more
gun safety classes of every kind, and promotes harsher
penalties for those who use or buy weapons illegally.

Bowling for Columbine is entertaining. It's a well done
Michael Moore opinion piece. Factual? Very questionable.
As with his other films, it is not hard to dissect it to find
the many flaws, and questionable expert testimony.

The infamous scene where he walks out w/a gun from
the bank. Staged. Didn't happen.

Charlton Heston who had Alzheimer's already when
filmed, was set up by Moore. Even those who don't like
Heston thought it was a cheap shot at old man who
was sick.

Just check out the NRA website, if you also check out
Bowling for Columbine. Get some perspective from John
Lott, the writer and scholar. Check out the best selling
book from a couple of years ago: Michael Moore Is A
Big, Fat, Stupid White Man. He spliced together separate
tv ads to create what he presents as real ads, and does
so w/o telling the audience.


Moore does make interesting, controverisal, and entertaining opinion pieces. But, they are usually
far from documetaries, which must be 100% factual.
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well, study after study has shown that guns used in violent crimes originate from legal owners. whether they use it themselves or their children sell them. plus the constitution was clear in its statement that the right to bear arms is not universal and was limited greatly. people who have guns in the home are more likely to cause harm to each other than an intruder. basicly, short of adding to number of deaths there is little merit to the this "right to bear arms" mess.

this is really about trigger happy madness. this is about bloodletting whether its planning to kill your wife and kids or some idiot with a small penis chasing after a 2 pound rabbit with a fucking ak47, this is and always has been about bloodshed. plain and simple. if this was not, why would they not use blanks or other non deadly forms of entertainment? but thats what makes it fun for these people, the blood. the chance at death whether their own, their kids, someone else's, or a bunny hopping around trying to get some greens. and the fact it leads to thousands of deaths a year means nothing to them. everytime small child dies from a stray bullet they are right them with their rally's talking about how little they care about human life as long as they get guns. its really sick. these are the very people that should never be let anywhere near a gun or even a butterknife. but there you have it.

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they are disgraceful!


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I own several firearms and firmly believe in the right to bear arms, but the NRA has adopted a political agenda that far excedes their original mission, an agenda that I strongly oppose.


you know, here in Europe people is horrified from owning firearms.....
I think cultural approach is involved in this issue


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you know, here in Europe people is horrified from owning firearms.....
I think cultural approach is involved in this issue
Are you kidding me? I was hiking in Switzerland last fall, and saw hunters walking around active hiking trails carrying rifles. In fact, I think the Swiss are supposed to be some of the most heavily armed citizens on the planet.

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Are you kidding me? I was hiking in Switzerland last fall, and saw hunters walking around active hiking trails carrying rifles. In fact, I think the Swiss are supposed to be some of the most heavily armed citizens on the planet.
Hon, I don't think he means the neutral Swiss, but the peace-loving "lefties" of France, Belgium, etc.

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