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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old May 20th, 2006, 01:58 PM Thread Starter
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Loose Change: 9/11 film

I just watched this documentary, and found it pretty interesting. Not sure if I believe it all, but it raises a few questions about the World Trade centre collapse and the Pentagon crash.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

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http://www.loosechange911.com/
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Did you get the link from one of my posts?

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I saw that a little while ago. Its very good.
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Did you get the link from one of my posts?
No, I saw the film mentioned at another site I visit sometimes. Sorry if the link's been posted before in another thread.
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I don't buy into all that conspiracy crap. The government is too incompetent to pull off something like this. Think about it. The only conspiracy thing that makes sense to me is how could two new/incompetent pilots pull off the last-minute maneuver that apparently Flight 77 did when its initial approach was wrong and had air traffic controllers in awe. Horseshit luck, who knows.

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I was convinced by that documentary if i am honest

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It's all crap. Especially Pentagon crash arguments are well & throughly debunked by every available fact.
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I can't say I believe this though. If they're saying 9/11 was done by the government in order to have a pretense to attack Iraq, then isn't that sort of stupid because the US attacked Afghanistan first I mean, if they really wanted to do that, then they would have just targetted Iraq from the very beginning.

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I can't say I believe this though. If they're saying 9/11 was done by the government in order to have a pretense to attack Iraq, then isn't that sort of stupid because the US attacked Afghanistan first I mean, if they really wanted to do that, then they would have just targetted Iraq from the very beginning.
Especially as invasion to Iraq was only loosely (in US government mind) or hardly at all (in reality) tied to 9/11.

One problem with these conspiracy theorists is that they try to look for any "inconsistencies", regardless of whether they fit to overall theory at all. For example, 'Plane site' video made big fuss about some "flash" in Boeing's cockpit just before it hit the tower. Video claimed it could not be reflection of sunlight because "windshield is round" (??), even though exact similar reflection flashes could be seen from engine nacelles which are rounded.

But even if there were strange flash in the cockpit, what does it prove? What was the flash then? How it is linked to conspiracy theory? 9/11 conspiracy theories are full of these "inconsistencies", which are not linked with each other at all.

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Ok I must say, after reading through ALL the evidence from the website, I am slightly sold. As a patriotic American though, I choose not to believe all of this as fact, simply because, I am human, and I need something to grasp onto. Imagine if this became mainstream, and everyone took it for what it was worth. There would be anarchy in the streets! However, I have to admit, the evidence they provide is pretty damning, especially the WTC and Pentagon theories and video evidence (i.e. the controlled demolition of WTC).

But again, as a fiercely patriotic American, and maybe even somewhat jingoistic in some people's eyes, I choose to believe that terrorists did this, and that this is NOT a government conspiracy...

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Ok I must say, after reading through ALL the evidence from the website, I am slightly sold. As a patriotic American though, I choose not to believe all of this as fact, simply because, I am human, and I need something to grasp onto. Imagine if this became mainstream, and everyone took it for what it was worth. There would be anarchy in the streets! However, I have to admit, the evidence they provide is pretty damning, especially the WTC and Pentagon theories and video evidence (i.e. the controlled demolition of WTC).

But again, as a fiercely patriotic American, and maybe even somewhat jingoistic in some people's eyes, I choose to believe that terrorists did this, and that this is NOT a government conspiracy...
The funniest piece of evidence was the fact the aircraft black boxes were never recovered (despite being made of the toughest materials known to man), whereas a PASSPORT, supposedly belonging to a terrorist, was found in the rubble.

Do the American Government think everyone in the world is retarded?
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The funniest piece of evidence was the fact the aircraft black boxes were never recovered (despite being made of the toughest materials known to man), whereas a PASSPORT, supposedly belonging to a terrorist, was found in the rubble.

Do the American Government think everyone in the world is retarded?
no, but this comment is.

The black boxes are made of the toughest materials, not the most difficult to find, nobody said they were destroyed, they weren't found in thousands of tons of rubble, yes, a passport has a lot more chances of being destroyed, but the rests of the aircraft (including everything inside) were randomly distributed within the rubble, so I don't see what's so strange.
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It's funny how people take details out of context and elaborate a complicated theory behind it.

To start with, it's not possible to plan an operation like this, I mean, from the point of view of the US government.

Yes, the terrorists did it, but that was the easy part.

But think for a minute, the US government making a group of muslim terrorists believe they were working for Bin Laden while in fact they were working for the CIA, or better, there weren't muslim terrorists but CIA agents and chose to die to support Bush's lies

Then, they needed to have the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, all of them blind.

Of course, nobody let any detail be known, of the hundreds, and all the details worked out pretty well, everyone did its part and now the US government have hundreds of people that know a secret that could bring the government down.

Of course, all these evil politicians took an impossible risk (can you imagine the consequences if this was known) just to invade Afghanistan.

Really people, I don't say you stop watching TV, but if you are watching 24, please realize it's fiction.
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Ok I must say, after reading through ALL the evidence from the website, I am slightly sold. As a patriotic American though, I choose not to believe all of this as fact, simply because, I am human, and I need something to grasp onto. Imagine if this became mainstream, and everyone took it for what it was worth. There would be anarchy in the streets! However, I have to admit, the evidence they provide is pretty damning, especially the WTC and Pentagon theories and video evidence (i.e. the controlled demolition of WTC).

But again, as a fiercely patriotic American, and maybe even somewhat jingoistic in some people's eyes, I choose to believe that terrorists did this, and that this is NOT a government conspiracy...
the controlled demolition of the WTC may well have happened, but that only means they demolished the WTC, not that they were behind the whole thing.

And it could have been one of those decisions that are so hard to take but are necessary to save more lives.

Or, (I am not en engineer so I might be wrong), it's possible that the buildings were designed to collapse that way.
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i cant believe people actually believe this

i am from new york city and it just upsets me that people buy this crap. There are so many holes in the so called evidence.

and about the black boxes not being recovered. I live in Staten Island where the rubble was taken to be searched through for body parts and any other things that could be found. The mounds were stories high and nothing was being found except for an occasional tooth or finger. It was so depressing. Nothing was coming of it so they just started trucking it away. I do not find it hard to believe the black boxes were never found.

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