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Jewish MP denies Iran badge plan

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-1702,00.html

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IRAN'S only Jewish MP strongly denied reports in a Canadian newspaper overnight that Iran may force non-Muslims to wear coloured badges in public so they can be identified.

"This report is a complete fabrication and is totally false," Maurice Motammed said in Tehran. "It is a lie, and the people who invented it wanted to make political gain" by doing so.
congratulations to the hatemongers, they did it again. lies, lies and more lies. to those who blindly believe them - you got owned once again.
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congratulations to the hatemongers, they did it again. lies, lies and more lies. to those who blindly believe them - you got owned once again.
There's a thing in politics called a trial baloon; if it doesn't seem to get the desired reaction, then whoever "launched it" disassociates themself (and their boss) from it. That may have happened here, plus the message was sent that Iran could do this if it so chose.
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There's a thing in politics called a trial baloon; if it doesn't seem to get the desired reaction, then whoever "launched it" disassociates themself (and their boss) from it. That may have happened here, plus the message was sent that Iran could do this if it so chose.
in this case it seems we are dealing with a complete fabrication, though. the proposed law seems to be about "an Iranian and Islamic style of dress for women" and does not mention religious minorities at all.
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Iran has a Jewish MP in parliament
they have representatives for all religious minorities.
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in this case it seems we are dealing with a complete fabrication, though. the proposed law seems to be about "an Iranian and Islamic style of dress for women" and does not mention religious minorities at all.
Stories like this generally don't totally "invent themselves". Perhaps the part about the religious ID's was in an earlier draft of it, then dropped for the reasons I mentioned above. (In every legislative body except those like in North Korea, the first drafts of legislation are typically amended B4 passage). But if it wasn't @ least a "subtle message", then why didn't a member of the leadership immediately disassociate the government from it?
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they have representatives for all religious minorities.
Oh, how kind. One Jewish voice.
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Stories like this generally don't totally "invent themselves". Perhaps the part about the religious ID's was in an earlier draft of it, then dropped for the reasons I mentioned above. (In every legislative body except those like in North Korea, the first drafts of legislation are typically amended B4 passage). But if it wasn't @ least a "subtle message", then why didn't a member of the leadership immediately disassociate the government from it?
from what i gather this was reported only yesterday, so there is still time for reaction. it was already denied not only by this mp, but also by some middle east analysts (who are not friendly towards the iranian regime).

there is not much information available (in english, that is, there is apparently more information about the law on the internet in farsi), but it seems that the law is directed against the iranian fashion industry and indeed only regulates the dress code for women. furthermore, the badge rumours were started by some random newspaper and the sources were very vague - "human right groups".

it should be also noted that ahmadinejad's supposed statement that israel should be wiped off the map was also not reported accurately. such phrase apparently does not exist in farsi, and what he actually did was quoting a sentence from an old speech by khomeini and should be translated as "The occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." of course, ahmadinejad wouldn't mind wiping israel off the map, i'm sure, but his statement was far less spectacular than that. first of all, it's not the first time someone in iran has said that and the one who said it the first time had more political power than ahmadinejad has.

these sensationalist claims are there to whip up anti-iranian sentiment. that's not unusual when nations are preparing for war. in other times things like this would be reported differently.
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Oh, how kind. One Jewish voice.
given that there are only 30,000 jews in iran that pretty much corresponds to their numbers.

of course the situation is not rosy for iranian jews. ahmadinejad's anti-semitic ramblings will have an impact on the iranian public and as such deserve condemnation.
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it should be also noted that ahmadinejad's supposed statement that israel should be wiped off the map was also not reported accurately. such phrase apparently does not exist in farsi, and what he actually did was quoting a sentence from an old speech by khomeini and should be translated as "The occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." of course, ahmadinejad wouldn't mind wiping israel off the map, i'm sure, but his statement was far less spectacular than that. first of all, it's not the first time someone in iran has said that and the one who said it the first time had more political power than ahmadinejad has.

these sensationalist claims are there to whip up anti-iranian sentiment. that's not unusual when nations are preparing for war. in other times things like this would be reported differently.
As I don't know the timeline re. the dress code proposal, I'll wait B4 saying anything more. But your slant clearly shows in your narrative about the "wiping Israel off the map" thing. Whatever Mr. Ahmandinejad meant in those statements, he's had more than ample time to say "I just meant that the occupation of Jerusalem must end" or whatever, but did not do so. (Obviously he was fine with the perception of him wanting Israel eliminated, whether he used those exact words or not). Later.
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As I don't know the timeline re. the dress code proposal, I'll wait B4 saying anything more. But your slant clearly shows in your narrative about the "wiping Israel off the map" thing. Whatever Mr. Ahmandinejad meant in those statements, he's had more than ample time to say "I just meant that the occupation of Jerusalem must end" or whatever, but did not do so. (Obviously he was fine with the perception of him wanting Israel eliminated, whether he used those exact words or not). Later.
but i actually did say that ahmadinejad wouldn't mind wiping israel off the map (his statements about holocaust speak volumes about his anti-semitism anyway). that's not my point. the point is, all this is actually old news, it was said before, but these things are being reported in a sensationalist way in order to prepare the public for a possible war against iran. the iranian regime did not change overnight because ahmadinejad came to power, but things are painted that way by those who support a military action against that country.
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but i actually did say that ahmadinejad wouldn't mind wiping israel off the map (his statements about holocaust speak volumes about his anti-semitism anyway). that's not my point. the point is, all this is actually old news, it was said before, but these things are being reported in a sensationalist way in order to prepare the public for a possible war against iran. the iranian regime did not change overnight because ahmadinejad came to power, but things are painted that way by those who support a military action against that country.
If I were the new President of a country (even one who doesn't directly control the military) and a statement of mine was mis-translated to sound more threatening to another country, I'd still have clarified what I said. (Ooops, I forgot, they don't consider Israel a country). Even if I agreed with the sentiments of the inaccurate translation, I wouldn't let others put words in my mouth.

What President of any country lets his subordinates (or a news service, etc.) decide for him the timing and degree in the way a statement that gets worldwide attention was reported, by not clarifying what he said? (Unless he was in on the "mis-translation" himself.

Or the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, ordered it. Which in fact would make the way the words were reported even more disturbing, as that fellow does command the military and other security services.
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Oh, they're just oppressing women instead of jews. Thats not so bad.
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