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Iran Eyes Badges for Jews; Law Would Require Non-Muslim Insignia

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Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia

Chris Wattie
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Friday, May 19, 2006


Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.

It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.

The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

"We are not here to answer such questions."

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.
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Bush called Iran out years ago, and he was maligned
left and right for saying the truth. Albright & others
told the world for years Iran was worthy of our trust,
and wanted a new relationship. Ditto for her grand
work with North Korea. Look where we ended up
because of that? They both lied about their nuclear
weapon programs, and who knows what else they
have. All the while, France (same old usual suspects
from the UN Security Council backstabbers) are
dealing with Iran, weapons, and business, etc.

Read this guys 18 page letter to Bush. Think of
the billions he has from the oil, and the hold he
has over places like France and Germany w/trade.

Maybe the world can get out in the street and protest
Iran and their crazy leader and his plans for Israel,
the Middle East,the West, and any non-Muslim. It
isn't pretty. How about taking that venom of the
'cartoon' protests and anger, and put it into something
worth protesting: a crazy man in Iran who wants to
be Hitler, who has the money thru oil to take on the
West, and who a media that ignores his actions at home
and abroad.

This is nothing new for him, he's been going down this
path for quite a long time. Even when he wasn't President,
he had a lot of clout, and it was ignored.

What can we do w/him now? Iran had a lot more
nuke capability in the 90's than we were led to believe
by our negotiators, as did North Korea.


I hope that Europe will not do w/Iran what it did with Iraq.
Stop using the Security Council to create backdoor deals
that undermine the inspections. China and Russia will
negate any legitimate UN actions anyway. So, sadly,
Israel may have to take on Iran alone, or with the US
help in some way. It won't end well, if the world does
the same thing it did with Iraq - allows a few nations
to prop up the leader, with billions in deals (oil for food
scam @ UN), so sanctions & inspections are meaningless.

I sure hope Bush and Blair and Howard are paying into
programs to help the very young majority in Iran to
organize, communicate, and act down the line. We should
be paying to assist the resistance in Iran, at the very least.
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wow, so much rubbish in a single post, i'm impressed.
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Congrats Ahmadinejad. His getting closer and closer to the things that took Hitler much more things to work on them.

Iran should be prepared for a war with the western world and they don't need to be surprise when their leader is talking like Neo-Nazi
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but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it.
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wow, so much rubbish in a single post, i'm impressed.
So are you telling us that this is not true? It would be nice if it wasn't.

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but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it.
Oh well,
So i understand that it doesn't matter for you that the Jews in Iran will go with yellow badge (who did that in the past?)
A man that standing in the head of the country, that saying that Israel should be wiped out of the map( Although he so kind and he said that he has no problem with jewish people, only with Israel)
He said that the Jewish people need to go back to europe (well, that's also remind me something of someone who wanted to get rid of religion in a continent)

But the thing that makes me angrier more than anything is the Holocaust denial - Well Mr. Ahmadinejad, i'm inviting you to take a "tour" in Auschwitz, to look in my grandfather eyes and say to him that he is "making up" what he has been through in the holocaust.
This leader is the extremist one in the world since many years, I guess we don't know if he just trying to scare people with these speeches, but we can't know if he is willing to act and that's dangerous, and someone needs to stop him before he'll cause to World war III
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Oh well,
So i understand that it doesn't matter for you that the Jews in Iran will go with yellow badge (who did that in the past?)
it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.
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it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.
You know, Hitler started with something. In the begininng everyone said that "he can't be that extremist, he won't do this things" - GUESS what?
Iran is not so weak as you think, as i don't know many nations that are close to nucelar ability. Hitler had to work harder to wipe out the jews - but imagine if Ahmadinejad will decide that he want's to make a "quick" holocaust with a nucelar bomb.
U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it. I think that instead of complain about U.S.A you should pay attention to them.
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You know, Hitler started with something. In the begininng everyone said that "he can't be that extremist, he won't do this things" - GUESS what?
Iran is not so weak as you think, as i don't know many nations that are close to nucelar ability. Hitler had to work harder to wipe out the jews - but imagine if Ahmadinejad will decide that he want's to make a "quick" holocaust with a nucelar bomb.
if he tried to use nuclear weapons his country will be destroyed. iran won't use nuclear weapons even if they obtain them. just like china won't use them. nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent.

and hitler did start with something, but he was a leader of a very powerful industrial nation.

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U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it. I think that instead of complain about U.S.A you should pay attention to them.
lol @ the idea that the us did not start the war against iraq. it's kinda like when poland attacked germany, right?

i do pay attention to the terrorists, but i refuse to be stupid. i also pay attention to the way the threat of terrorism is used by some people to start wars for completely other purposes.
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but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it.
Horribly, painfully true. Of course, Iran is hardly the only country to practice 'state-sponsored religious descrimination'. Sometimes it seems like half the Republican party wants it in the USA.

But requiring people to wear their religion on their clothing is another step altogether. That's a step wear true fanaticism starts to take over. (And what, I wonder, will atheists have to wear?)

Though distasteful, this step is certainly NOT one that's worth declaring war over. If we considered religious fanaticsim that bad, we'd have invaded Afghanistan ten years earlier. And of course, genocide doesn't seem to be worth declaring war over, if Darfur or Rwanda are any indication. However, I will say that, as someone who has no problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons at the moment, this news causes me to consider re-thinking that issue. Nuclear weapons in the hands of someone who disagrees with me doesn't bother. Nuclear weapons in the hands of murderous religious fanatics is another matter. Though the world HAS survived six years of a murderous religious fanatic sitting in the White House with the launch codes to the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.

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it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.
I can't believe you're still defending Iran. They clearly want to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.
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I can't believe you're still defending Iran. They clearly want to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.
yeah, totally.
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U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it.
Iraq, when we invaded it anyway, was a secular country. Further, even Bush himself admits that Iraq had nothing to do with any attack on the USA.

There is absolutely no logical way you can say the USA did not start the war in Iraq.

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Nuclear weapons in the hands of someone who disagrees with me doesn't bother. Nuclear weapons in the hands of murderous religious fanatics is another matter. Though the world HAS survived six years of a murderous religious fanatic sitting in the White House with the launch codes to the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.
again, iran should not be equated with ahmadinejad. his power is limited and his ramblings should not be understood to be the official iranian policy.

besides, why do people seriously believe that this is about nuclear weapons? let's be frank, the us has different goals. nuclear weapons can be used as an excuse, of course. do people not remember the "weapons of mass destruction" charade from just 4 years ago?
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