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check it out, US discussing whether to reveal homosexuality of History's homosexuals

i dont know how to post the link. but click on this and then look at the list, and there is a 2-minute video.

http://edition.cnn.com/

Lord only knows how many influential people are/were gay. I've always wondered about famous bandits - and what about the pirates? ya never heard about them having many women on board, eh?

The mother on the video says that she cant see why their gayness is relevant if their accomplishments are not related to their sexuality. But how do you accomplish a gay invention? or write a gay constitution, or save a gay serviceman?? etc... I tend to look at it the opposite way - Their accomplishments, good or bad, are even more fantastic when you consider the clandestine lives they had to lead being gay (it is an added challenge), AND, when you consider SOME of the paranoia that conservatives have towards homosexuals (for instance, that they cant be trusted), thier trustworthiness is obvious when you consider their accomplishments.
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I don't think its relevant. You wouldn't say oh, so and so was straight btw. If its not relevant to the context of the history, then its not necessary.
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I don't think its relevant. You wouldn't say oh, so and so was straight btw. If its not relevant to the context of the history, then its not necessary.
It wouldn't be relevant if we lived in a perfect world, but Americans need to see that gay people do great things not just party and have orgies all the time.

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I don't think its relevant. You wouldn't say oh, so and so was straight btw. If its not relevant to the context of the history, then its not necessary.
Why not?

Thats what the mother in the video said. But we assume just about everyone in history, especially say since before the 1900's, is straight. In any case, heterosexual romances are glorified, why not gay ones? I find it interesting to know that some famous and accomplished people were gay. of course, its my personal feeling only.
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The fact that we exist, and contributed to the history of the planet in meaningful ways, is relevant.

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The fact that we exist, and contributed to the history of the planet in meaningful ways, is relevant.
Yeah, exactly!

And what about Pirates? there must have been lots of gay pirates, no? living out at sea, stealing food and gold, but few or no women? What about the contributions of gay pirates?
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Yeah, exactly!

And what about Pirates? there must have been lots of gay pirates, no? living out at sea, stealing food and gold, but few or no women? What about the contributions of gay pirates?

U sure love the idea of "gay pirates"

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I don't think its relevant. You wouldn't say oh, so and so was straight btw. If its not relevant to the context of the history, then its not necessary.
You feel this way because you are straight. If you were gay, you would feel differently.

This is like saying "Why should they tell people that so-and-so dealt with bi-polar disorder, was deaf, was an orphan, etc. Do they say everyone else had good mental health, could hear, had two parents?"
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U sure love the idea of "gay pirates"
Well yeah i do. Why not? Pirates were tough. Gays sometimes suffer an image crisis, heck there are tons of tough gay people, just as capable as any person of stealing the gold and taking the food and loot. gotta love the pirates. And of course, sailors (non-pirates) were gay too, surely 10%.
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time to call it a day, work day is over, - i do however feel differently about "outing" people. if someone doesnt want to come out about being gay then dont out them, but a person who lived 200 ago would probably love to help other gay people, and non-gay people who for whatever reason can relate, sharing that they were gay. I can only imagine how difficult it was to succeed as a gay person - what with the fear and hatred against them.
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Well yeah i do. Why not? Pirates were tough. Gays sometimes suffer an image crisis, heck there are tons of tough gay people, just as capable as any person of stealing the gold and taking the food and loot. gotta love the pirates. And of course, sailors (non-pirates) were gay too, surely 10%.

hahaha theres nothing wrong with it what so ever.

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Yeah, exactly!

And what about Pirates? there must have been lots of gay pirates, no? living out at sea, stealing food and gold, but few or no women? What about the contributions of gay pirates?
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What about the contributions of gay pirates?


Yep, you're right it's a great contribution and seems pretty gay to me

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