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Kenyans protest brutal killing of HIV-infected boy

Kenyans protest brutal killing of HIV-infected boy

Thu Apr 20, 8:58 AM ET



Several hundred Kenyan AIDS activists took to the streets of Nairobi on Thursday to protest at the killing of an HIV-infected boy, whom they say was hacked with a garden fork by his uncle because of his status.

A week after 15-year-old Isaiah Gakuyo was killed in Nyeri in central Kenya, police were still looking for his uncle, who was the orphaned boy's guardian.

About 300 people demonstrated on Thursday, saying the killing highlighted the stigma faced by those living with HIV/AIDS in Kenya.

"The boy was facing violence on a daily basis," said Inviolata Mwali Mmbwavi, one of the march organisers who runs a group working with Kenyan AIDS victims.

"We don't want this to happen again," she added to Reuters.

Gakuyo was often beaten and denied food at home, added Asunta Wagura, executive director of the Kenya Network of Women with AIDS.

"We supported him as he was an unwelcome dependent in the family," Wagura said, adding that the organization had been trying to find him another home.

HIV/AIDS prevalence in the east African country has declined to seven percent in 2003 from about 10 percent in the late 1990s.

Thousands of Kenyans living with the virus cannot access even the cheapest anti-retroviral drugs, which are too expensive in private hospitals and not available in public ones.
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I'm frequently stunned by how cruel human beings can be.

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I'm frequently stunned by how cruel human beings can be.
I'm not....history has taught us that humans are the absolute worst thing this planet has to offer.
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I'm not....history has taught us that humans are the absolute worst thing this planet has to offer.
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One can only hope that the man who hacked at him with a fork got a lot of blood on himself in the process.

Yes, I'm awful, but come on.
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One can only hope that the man who hacked at him with a fork got a lot of blood on himself in the process.

Yes, I'm awful, but come on.
Well they called it a garden fork, which probably means a pitch fork so I would have to say probably not.
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We really don't know enough about this story to make an accessment.
It really depends on why this kid is orphaned and if this kid contracted HIV while in the possession of his uncle.

If his parents happened to die from complications from HIV/AIDS, and this uncle decided to take it on himself to take care of this kid and then the kid goes and makes the same possible mistake that his parents did then I don't know if I wouldn't try to kill this kid myself.

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We really don't know enough about this story to make an accessment.It really depends on why this kid is orphaned and if this kid contracted HIV while in the possession of his uncle.

If his parents happened to die from complications from HIV/AIDS, and this uncle decided to take it on himself to take care of this kid and then the kid goes and makes the same possible mistake that his parents did then I don't know if I wouldn't try to kill this kid myself.
Creep? Is that you? 'Cause Creep is the only poster I've ever seen make a statement as fucked-up as this one on this board. Creep? I've missed you Creep. Say something derisive about people who find themselves in unfortunate circumstances. Say something about killing puppies and kittens.

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Creep? Is that you? 'Cause Creep is the only poster I've ever seen make a statement as fucked-up as this one on this board. Creep? I've missed you Creep. Say something derisive about people who find themselves in unfortunate circumstances. Say something about killing puppies and kittens.
The statement is an if, a very big if i might add.
The if statement definately depends on the parents orphaning the child because of their HIV/AIDS condition and the kid contracting HIV/AIDS after being in the uncle's possession.

If that happens to be the case and the kid didn't learn from his parent unforunate situation, then I might try to kill him too.

It would be similar to a kid losing his parents because of a drug overdose and then doing the same thing after his guardian tried their best to protect them.
After the guardians find out the kid didn't OD, they probably might try to kill him too.

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So, if my sister and brother-in-law die of a drug overdose and I assume guardianship of my nephew, and I catch the kid messing around with dope, it's go time with a pitch fork?

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We really don't know enough about this story to make an accessment.
It really depends on why this kid is orphaned and if this kid contracted HIV while in the possession of his uncle.

If his parents happened to die from complications from HIV/AIDS, and this uncle decided to take it on himself to take care of this kid and then the kid goes and makes the same possible mistake that his parents did then I don't know if I wouldn't try to kill this kid myself.
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So, if my sister and brother-in-law die of a drug overdose and I assume guardianship of my nephew, and I catch the kid messing around with dope, it's go time with a pitch fork?
I would at least give him the beating of his life.
He is not going to ruin his life with that stuff while in my house after I just had to deal with my sister dieing from a similar situation.
I would find the first thing I see and just start beating.
If that happened to be a shoe, then he's going to get beat with a shoe.
If that's a pitchfork, then...I don't have a pitchfork and I don't know anyone with a pitchfork so I don't know if I would try to use it.

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I would at least give him the beating of his life.
He is not going to ruin his life with that stuff while in my house after I just had to deal with my sister dieing from a similar situation.
I would find the first thing I see and just start beating.
If that happened to be a shoe, then he's going to get beat with a shoe.
If that's a pitchfork, then...I don't have a pitchfork and I don't know anyone with a pitchfork so I don't know if I would try to use it.
How can I argue with that? Kids who are beaten have much higher self-esteem. Kids with high self-esteem are much less likely to use illegal drugs and engage in other risky behavior. If you want to make a child or young person feel good about himself, grab the nearest object and start beating him vigorously. If you check any prison or juvenile detention facility, one thing you'll find is that the inmates weren't exposed to or subjected to violence during their formative years.

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