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Gay College Student Expelled; State Funds At Risk

Reaction grows to gay student's expulsion
OTHER CUMBERLANDS STUDENTS EXPRESS HURT, CONFUSION
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Poll | Should the Baptist University of the Cumberlands receive state aid if itís going to ban gay students?

Legislator says school shouldn't get funds

The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news.

"He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay," Dreyer wrote Thursday on the Web site MySpace.com, the same site school officials used to confront Johnson. "Help get the story out there so that all the gays and lesbians at the university will no longer have to live in secrecy, in fear of having their dreams crushed in front of them."

Within a few hours, friends and students at the small Baptist college in Williamsburg were commenting in blogs about Johnson's expulsion. The buzz grew over the weekend, and by yesterday the issue drew reaction from legislators in Frankfort and on gay advocacy organizations' Web sites nationwide.

Johnson, a sophomore majoring in theater arts, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay. In a statement released last week, the university's president, Jim Taylor said students are held to a "higher standard" and that "students know the rules before they come to this institution."

But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend. The school did not provide a copy of the policy for the 2004-05 school year. The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw."

School officials said that although the 2003-04 policy did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it did say that students must "conduct themselves, on and off the campus, in a manner which is consistent with the objectives of the College and with its standards of conduct."

After Dreyer's Web post on Thursday, students' blogs showed mixed reactions. Some said they don't like homosexual behavior, but they didn't think the school should expel people just a few weeks before the end of the term. Others wrote that rules must be followed, but they would miss their friend, who was supposed to stage-manage a production of As You Like It last week. Some were furious, cursing at the university. Some were hurt, praying for God to guide them through a complicated time. The expulsion, some wrote, is tearing the campus apart.

Renee Kuder, a University of the Cumberlands senior and a friend of Johnson, says many students worry they'll be punished if they discuss the case online or in the media. Some students declined to comment for this story, or did not return messages.

The school did not comment on the issue yesterday.

But some students are publicly questioning the school's values, Kuder said. Many wore shirts yesterday with "God loves my gay friends" printed on them and are waiting for Johnson to let them know the best response to the university.

"They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards," Kuder said. "If we love each other, accept each other for who we are, why are they kicking him out? I almost feel like they're trying to mold us, me, into a person that I wouldn't want to be.

"There's a letter in the student handbook that says everyone is a unique creation of God, you're special, we care about you. They didn't care if he didn't have a place to go. They could have pretty much ruined his life."

Johnson was confronted by two school officials Thursday. They showed Johnson his profile on MySpace.com, where he wrote about his boyfriend, then showed him the 2005-06 student handbook policy.

Johnson left the meeting with a letter that required him to leave the university that night. His parents, who helped him choose the Baptist school two years earlier, were "outraged," he said. Along with Dreyer, who attends Eastern Kentucky University, they helped him move out of the dorm within hours.

"I was upset to the point that I couldn't speak. I didn't even want to ask about it," said Johnson, a Lafayette High School graduate, who is considering attending the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky University next fall. "I wanted to be out of there."

Johnson, who is considering legal action against the university, said students shouldn't question their faith, but they should question their personal beliefs.

"What I would hope is that their faith is renewed because people are standing up for what they believe in," Johnson said. "It has strengthened my resolve, my beliefs, my faith, seeing the love and support."
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Why is a religious private school getting state funds in the first place? I don't see why a gay person would want to go to a baptist school.
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I don't like gays, but I respect their rights and decisions, as they are still human beings. So what if he's gay? Does the college have any right to expel him just because of his sexuality?

This is a great insult to the college student... he should sue the pants out of the college.

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Well, I said I don't like gays, but that doesn't mean I hate them

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I don't know what I find more disgusting ... your dislike of gays ...

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Eh, I mean I suppose I can understand the school's reasoning, but I can't back it.

They'd have to expel the fornicators, liers, adulterers, stealers, gamblers, etc. to justify this. And that'd be a hell of a lot of kids on that campus.

While they should be able to exclude people who deviate from the schools teachings, they have to do it to all of them, not just ones they feel like.

Its really a shame that homosexuals have to deal with this crap. They're being singled out for no reason, its really stupid.

(Oh my God I didn't say something bigoted/racist/sexist/homophobic! )
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Showing dislikeness to homosexuals here, not necessarily HATENESS, is big enough a trouble for you.

And I fail to see the reason why you have such a tendency.

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I am gay. I think the school has the right to expel the kid if it's in their rules. However, they shouldn't be taking federal funds if they are a religious school.

What stinks is that gays are singled out like this. The school doesn't actively seek out and expel all the kids that break its code of conduct rules. For example, divorce is a sin according to the Bible, but I doubt they expel students who get divorced, nor fire faculty members who get divorced.

In my opinion, the school should expel the true sinners: Henin fans!
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It's just a DISLIKE... is that a crime?

If I organise a rally that gays are sins and should be punished, or joining hate groups and condemn gays, that is HATE. And that is a bad thing.

All I said was that I DISLIKE GAYS and all of you jumped at me.

Disliking someone doesn't necessary mean that I hate that person. I might avoid the person, but I won't go as far as beating him up or throwing stones.

Sense, people. Sense.

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Reaction grows to gay student's expulsion
OTHER CUMBERLANDS STUDENTS EXPRESS HURT, CONFUSION
By Jamie Gumbrecht
HERALD-LEADER CULTURE WRITER

Poll | Should the Baptist University of the Cumberlands receive state aid if itís going to ban gay students?

Legislator says school shouldn't get funds

The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news.

"He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay," Dreyer wrote Thursday on the Web site MySpace.com, the same site school officials used to confront Johnson. "Help get the story out there so that all the gays and lesbians at the university will no longer have to live in secrecy, in fear of having their dreams crushed in front of them."

Within a few hours, friends and students at the small Baptist college in Williamsburg were commenting in blogs about Johnson's expulsion. The buzz grew over the weekend, and by yesterday the issue drew reaction from legislators in Frankfort and on gay advocacy organizations' Web sites nationwide.

Johnson, a sophomore majoring in theater arts, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay. In a statement released last week, the university's president, Jim Taylor said students are held to a "higher standard" and that "students know the rules before they come to this institution."

But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend. The school did not provide a copy of the policy for the 2004-05 school year. The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw."

School officials said that although the 2003-04 policy did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it did say that students must "conduct themselves, on and off the campus, in a manner which is consistent with the objectives of the College and with its standards of conduct."

After Dreyer's Web post on Thursday, students' blogs showed mixed reactions. Some said they don't like homosexual behavior, but they didn't think the school should expel people just a few weeks before the end of the term. Others wrote that rules must be followed, but they would miss their friend, who was supposed to stage-manage a production of As You Like It last week. Some were furious, cursing at the university. Some were hurt, praying for God to guide them through a complicated time. The expulsion, some wrote, is tearing the campus apart.

Renee Kuder, a University of the Cumberlands senior and a friend of Johnson, says many students worry they'll be punished if they discuss the case online or in the media. Some students declined to comment for this story, or did not return messages.

The school did not comment on the issue yesterday.

But some students are publicly questioning the school's values, Kuder said. Many wore shirts yesterday with "God loves my gay friends" printed on them and are waiting for Johnson to let them know the best response to the university.

"They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards," Kuder said. "If we love each other, accept each other for who we are, why are they kicking him out? I almost feel like they're trying to mold us, me, into a person that I wouldn't want to be.

"There's a letter in the student handbook that says everyone is a unique creation of God, you're special, we care about you. They didn't care if he didn't have a place to go. They could have pretty much ruined his life."

Johnson was confronted by two school officials Thursday. They showed Johnson his profile on MySpace.com, where he wrote about his boyfriend, then showed him the 2005-06 student handbook policy.

Johnson left the meeting with a letter that required him to leave the university that night. His parents, who helped him choose the Baptist school two years earlier, were "outraged," he said. Along with Dreyer, who attends Eastern Kentucky University, they helped him move out of the dorm within hours.

"I was upset to the point that I couldn't speak. I didn't even want to ask about it," said Johnson, a Lafayette High School graduate, who is considering attending the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky University next fall. "I wanted to be out of there."

Johnson, who is considering legal action against the university, said students shouldn't question their faith, but they should question their personal beliefs.

"What I would hope is that their faith is renewed because people are standing up for what they believe in," Johnson said. "It has strengthened my resolve, my beliefs, my faith, seeing the love and support."
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Oh by the way, I am not upset by the badreps you all are giving me, and I don't take heart of your comments here. It's just that our thinking and understanding are different.

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It's just that our thinking and understanding are different.
I think what's different is your lack of thinking and understanding. You said you dislike an entire group of people. There's no way you've met every gay person, and saying you dislike all of them before meeting them is wrong. Even if you consider homosexuality a sin, and gays sinners, I assume you don't also claim to dislike everyone who has ever gotten a divorce, or had premarital sex, or lied, etc. etc. etc. If you don't understand why your statement is messed up, I can't help you much further. It's an example of bigotted thinking at its finest (or worst, I should say).

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Why is a religious private school getting state funds in the first place? I don't see why a gay person would want to go to a baptist school.

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