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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The camera focuses on two gay men kissing in a park. Later, a topless woman emerges from the sea and walks onto a crowded beach. For would-be immigrants to the Netherlands, this film is a test of their readiness to participate in the liberal Dutch culture.

If they can't stomach it, no need to apply.

Despite whether they find the film offensive, applicants must buy a copy and watch it if they hope to pass the Netherlands' new entrance examination.

The test — the first of its kind in the world — became compulsory Wednesday, and was made available at 138 Dutch embassies.

Taking the exam costs $420. The price for a preparation package that includes the film, a CD ROM and a picture album of famous Dutch people is $75.

"As of today, immigrants wishing to settle in the Netherlands for, in particular, the purposes of marrying or forming a relationship will be required to take the civic integration examination abroad," the Immigration Ministry said in a statement.

The test is part of a broader crackdown on immigration that has been gathering momentum in the Netherlands since 2001.

Anti-immigration sentiment peaked with filmmaker Theo van Gogh's murder by a Dutch national of Moroccan descent in November 2004.

Both praise and scorn have been poured on Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, the architect of the new test and other policies that have reduced immigration by at least a third.

"If you pass, you're more than welcome," Verdonk said. "It is in the interest of Dutch society and those concerned."

Not everyone is happy with the new test.

"Today is a black day for the people intending to bring their partners to Holland," said Buitenlandse Partner, a lobbying group for mixed Dutch/immigrant couples.

Dutch theologian Karel Steenbrink criticized the 105-minute movie, saying it would be offensive to some Muslims.

"It is not a prudent way of welcoming people to the Netherlands," said Steenbrink, a professor at the University of Utrecht. "Minister Verdonk has radical ideas."

But Mohammed Sini, the chairman of Islam and Citizenship, a national Muslim organization, defended the film, saying that homosexuality is "a reality."

Sini urged all immigrants "to embrace modernity."

A censored version with no homosexual and nude material had been prepared because it is illegal to show such images in
Iran and some other countries, filmmaker Walter Goverde said.

"With all the respect I have for all religions, I think people need to understand that Holland has its own liberal side as well," he said.

After viewing the film, which is available in most languages, applicants are then quizzed on important Dutch factoids such as the number of provinces that make up the Netherlands; the role played by William of Orange in the country's history; and Queen Beatrix's monarchial functions.

There are some major exemptions. EU nationals, asylum-seekers and skilled workers who earn more than $54,000 per year will not be required to take the 30-minute computerized exam.

Also, citizens of the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The camera focuses on two gay men kissing in a park. Later, a topless woman emerges from the sea and walks onto a crowded beach. For would-be immigrants to the Netherlands, this film is a test of their readiness to participate in the liberal Dutch culture.

If they can't stomach it, no need to apply.

Despite whether they find the film offensive, applicants must buy a copy and watch it if they hope to pass the Netherlands' new entrance examination.

The test — the first of its kind in the world — became compulsory Wednesday, and was made available at 138 Dutch embassies.

Taking the exam costs $420. The price for a preparation package that includes the film, a CD ROM and a picture album of famous Dutch people is $75.

"As of today, immigrants wishing to settle in the Netherlands for, in particular, the purposes of marrying or forming a relationship will be required to take the civic integration examination abroad," the Immigration Ministry said in a statement.

The test is part of a broader crackdown on immigration that has been gathering momentum in the Netherlands since 2001.

Anti-immigration sentiment peaked with filmmaker Theo van Gogh's murder by a Dutch national of Moroccan descent in November 2004.

Both praise and scorn have been poured on Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, the architect of the new test and other policies that have reduced immigration by at least a third.

"If you pass, you're more than welcome," Verdonk said. "It is in the interest of Dutch society and those concerned."

Not everyone is happy with the new test.

"Today is a black day for the people intending to bring their partners to Holland," said Buitenlandse Partner, a lobbying group for mixed Dutch/immigrant couples.

Dutch theologian Karel Steenbrink criticized the 105-minute movie, saying it would be offensive to some Muslims.

"It is not a prudent way of welcoming people to the Netherlands," said Steenbrink, a professor at the University of Utrecht. "Minister Verdonk has radical ideas."

But Mohammed Sini, the chairman of Islam and Citizenship, a national Muslim organization, defended the film, saying that homosexuality is "a reality."

Sini urged all immigrants "to embrace modernity."

A censored version with no homosexual and nude material had been prepared because it is illegal to show such images in
Iran and some other countries, filmmaker Walter Goverde said.

"With all the respect I have for all religions, I think people need to understand that Holland has its own liberal side as well," he said.

After viewing the film, which is available in most languages, applicants are then quizzed on important Dutch factoids such as the number of provinces that make up the Netherlands; the role played by William of Orange in the country's history; and Queen Beatrix's monarchial functions.

There are some major exemptions. EU nationals, asylum-seekers and skilled workers who earn more than $54,000 per year will not be required to take the 30-minute computerized exam.

Also, citizens of the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

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Hmm...they ask how many provinces... 12... better start reading up on the House of Orange though!

oh wait... I didn't read the last line... I'm exempt! I don't need to read up. (Damn - I wanted to see those titties on the beach! ).

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Hmm...they ask how many provinces... 12... better start reading up on the House of Orange though!

oh wait... I didn't read the last line... I'm exempt! I don't need to read up. (Damn - I wanted to see those titties on the beach! ).
OK. With all the close-minded conservatives in America, why exactly is America exempt???
I could see a close minded American trying to start something with a gay couple kissing in a park.

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OK. With all the close-minded conservatives in America, why exactly is America exempt???
I could see a close minded American trying to start something with a gay couple kissing in a park.
How the heck do I know? I'm an open minded Aussie who doesn't mind naked girls on a beach, or guys kissing in the park - I dunno why America would be exempt!

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There are some major exemptions. EU nationals, asylum-seekers and skilled workers who earn more than $54,000 per year will not be required to take the 30-minute computerized exam.
Financial discrimination, shall we?

I'd like to see a film about conservative ideals enforced if the poor Dutch immigrants have to be subject to this liberal torture.
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I think Canada should do the same

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Financial discrimination, shall we?

I'd like to see a film about conservative ideals enforced if the poor Dutch immigrants have to be subject to this liberal torture.
Hang on... people are moving to NL, they should adhear to THAT society, not the other way round! If your country wants to show films about conservatitve ideals to immigrants, then so be it...but if you wanna live in NL, get used to their ideals...

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Financial discrimination, shall we?

I'd like to see a film about conservative ideals enforced if the poor Dutch immigrants have to be subject to this liberal torture.
You cannot be serious
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Hang on... people are moving to NL, they should adhear to THAT society, not the other way round! If your country wants to show films about conservatitve ideals to immigrants, then so be it...but if you wanna live in NL, get used to their ideals...

You have a point, but trying to shove this liberal jargon down immigrants' throats will probably end up biting the Dutch in the ass.
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You have a point, but trying to shove this liberal jargon down immigrants' throats will probably end up biting the Dutch in the ass.
Let me just finish the rest...Blah Blah Blah...Dubya...Blah Blah Blah....sodom and gomorrah.

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You have a point, but trying to shove this liberal jargon down immigrants' throats will probably end up biting the Dutch in the ass.
I doubt it.. The Dutch are being upfront. Immigrants know what to expect. If they don't like it, they need not bother apply for citizenship.
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Let me just finish the rest...Blah Blah Blah...Dubya...Blah Blah Blah....sodom and gomorrah.
Let me finish the rest...gay marriage, gun control, equality forum fanboy, Hilary Rodham.

Keep up the stereotyping, tit for tat.
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You have a point, but trying to shove this liberal jargon down immigrants' throats will probably end up biting the Dutch in the ass.
If the immigrants can't handle it, they should not be moving there in the first place!

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Let me finish the rest...gay marriage, gun control, equality forum fanboy, Hilary Rodham.

Keep up the stereotyping, tit for tat.
well I don't have a problem with the 1st 2... other 2 wtf? btw, wannabeknowitall has a US flag...

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