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Lawmakers Decry Ports Takeover - aka Bush has lost f&cking Mind!

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Lawmakers Decry Ports Takeover
By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 13 minutes ago
U.S. terms for approving an Arab company's takeover of operations at six major American ports are insufficient to guard against terrorist infiltration, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee said Sunday.

"I'm aware of the conditions and they relate entirely to how the company carries out its procedures, but it doesn't go to who they hire, or how they hire people," Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., told The Associated Press.

"They're better than nothing, but to me they don't address the underlying conditions, which is how are they going to guard against things like infiltration by al-Qaida or someone else, how are they going to guard against corruption?" King said.

King spoke in response to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff's comments Sunday about conditions of the sale. King said he learned about the government's terms for approving the sale from meetings with senior Bush administration officials.

Chertoff defended the security review of Dubai Ports World of the United Arab Emirates, the company given permission to take over the port operations. Chertoff said the government typically builds in "certain conditions or requirements that the company has to agree to make sure we address the national security concerns." But Chertoff declined to discuss specifics saying that information is classified.

"We make sure there are assurances in place, in general, sufficient to satisfy us that the deal is appropriate from a national security standpoint," Chertoff said on ABC's "This Week."

London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., was bought last week by DP World, a state-owned business. Peninsular and Oriental runs major commercial operations in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

A Miami company, Continental Stevedoring & Terminals Inc., has filed suit in a Florida court challenging the deal. A subsidiary of Eller & Company Inc., the Miami company maintains it the suit disclosed Saturday evening that it will become an "involuntary partner" with Dubai's government under the sale.

"We are aware of the lawsuit, but cannot comment until our legal teams have a chance to review it," Michael Seymour, president of the North American arm of Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation, said Sunday in the company's initial response to the lawsuit.

He noted that his company "is itself a foreign-owned terminal operator that has long worked with U.S. government officials in charge of security at the ports to meet all U.S. government standards, as do other foreign companies that currently operate ports in the United States."

"We are confident that the DP World purchase will ensure that our operations continue to meet all relevant standards in the U.S. through ongoing collaboration between the port operators and American, British, Australian and port security officials throughout the world," Seymour said in a statement telephoned to the AP.

Lawmakers from both parties are questioning the sale as a possible risk to national security.

"It's unbelievably tone deaf politically at this point in our history," Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., said on "Fox News Sunday."

"Most Americans are scratching their heads, wondering why this company from this region now," Graham said.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (news, bio, voting record), on CBS' "Face the Nation," said, "It is ridiculous to say you're taking secret steps to make sure that it's OK for a nation that had ties to 9/11, (to) take over part of our port operations in many of our largest ports. This has to stop."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Arab journalists in an interview Friday at the State Department, that it was "the considered opinion of the U.S. government that this can go forward." She pledged to work with Congress because "perhaps people will need better explanation and will need to understand some of the process that we have gone through."

At least one Senate oversight hearing is planned for later this month.

"Congress is welcome to look at this and can get classified briefings," Chertoff told CNN's "Late Edition." "We have to balance the paramount urgency of security against the fact that we still want to have a robust global trading system," he added.

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., who is working on legislation to prohibit companies owned or controlled by foreign governments from running port operation in the U.S., said Chertoff's comments showed him that the administration "just does not get it."

Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y. joined some family members of Sept. 11 victims at a news conference Sunday to urge President Bush to personally intervene. The president "should override the agreement and conduct a special investigation into the matter," Schumer said.

Dubai Ports World should not be excluded automatically from such a deal because it is based in the UAE, Chertoff said.

Critics have cited the UAE's history as an operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. In addition, they contend the UAE was an important transfer point for shipments of smuggled nuclear components sent to Iran, North Korea and Libya by a Pakistani scientist.

Dubai Ports World has said it intends to "maintain and, where appropriate, enhance current security arrangements." The UAE's foreign minister has described his country as an important U.S. ally in fighting terrorism.

"I would hope that our friends in Abu Dhabi would not be offended by the fact that in our democracy, we debate these things," Rice said in the interview with the Arab journalists.
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The funniest comment I heard was from the brother of someone killed on 9/11 - he said why doesn't Bush outsource the secret service to an Arab country and see how safe he feels.

The sad part is if his administration doesn't back away from this...they are just going to pass legislation prohibiting major ports from being run by companies that are not based in the states and that's probably not the best.
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Sorry, this is a bunch of PP (Political Pandering). Whoever owns the port facilities, dangerous cargoes (and drugs) are loaded onto the ship in ports ovaseas. So what matters is the screening of the containers when ships arrive here. Which is a government responsibility (currently done with only 5% of them per news reports, which clearly should be increased).

The dockworkers will probably be the same ppl regardless of who the corporate bosses are. (Americans, who are unionized members of the International Longshoremens Association). And (as I believe jbone mentioned in the other thread about this) the UAE isn't very radical anyhow, and certainly not since 9/11. Much ado about nothing (except the next election, of course).
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I posted this same thread, Rocketta...but I guess the folks on WTAWorld and the main stream press are more concerned about an accidental hunting accident when THIS is the issue that can really "get" Bush.

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Or if Paris Hilton has gottin rid of the crabs yet...that thread would have 12 pages on here
And let's not forget the 43 threads on Venus and Serena... I guess people are disconnected and they are okay with that. Oh, well...alls I can do is write my senators (Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr) and implore them to block this.

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alls I can do is write my senators (Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr) and implore them to block this.
But Liddy's husband (Bob Dole) is probably a paid lobbyist for UAE owned companies, like he is for a lot of big money interests in Washington.
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Sorry, this is a bunch of PP (Political Pandering). Whoever owns the port facilities, dangerous cargoes (and drugs) are loaded onto the ship in ports ovaseas. So what matters is the screening of the containers when ships arrive here. Which is a government responsibility (currently done with only 5% of them per news reports, which clearly should be increased).

The dockworkers will probably be the same ppl regardless of who the corporate bosses are. (Americans, who are unionized members of the International Longshoremens Association). And (as I believe jbone mentioned in the other thread about this) the UAE isn't very radical anyhow, and certainly not since 9/11. Much ado about nothing (except the next election, of course).
It's not the lowly dock worker that is the worry but the middle management and top management that will surely be from the middle east. the majority of which will be great employees but it's that one that makes it bad for everyone.

Also, it's the image of it all...it doesn't inspire confidence...You can't declare terrorist warnings left and right and then turn over your major ports to a company from the area you declare we need a terrorist warning from?
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Again I ask, Why do we even have Homeland Security?!
The whole thing is a farce.

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It's not the lowly dock worker that is the worry but the middle management and top management that will surely be from the middle east. the majority of which will be great employees but it's that one that makes it bad for everyone.
You apparently don't know how the longshoremen's union operates. If a manager (top, middle, whatever) said one day: "Uh, let these guys here unload those 2 containers ova there", they'd shut down the entire port B4 they agreed.

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Also, it's the image of it all...it doesn't inspire confidence...You can't declare terrorist warnings left and right and then turn over your major ports to a company from the area you declare we need a terrorist warning from?
If the facts make something a non-issue, does one then fall back on symbolism? And your words highlighted in bold are virtually the exact equivilant of ethnic profiling. (Note please, that you didn't even say "country", just "area").
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If the facts make something a non-issue, does one then fall back on symbolism? And your words highlighted in bold are virtually the exact equivilant of ethnic profiling. (Note please, that you didn't even say "country", just "area").
Okay, Bush did a brilliant end-around the Democrats who are in desperate need of some brownie points with the American public on "Homeland Security" and did to them what they do to everyone...he branded them a racists! Brilliant!

However, he didn't account for even the most conservative of Republicans on being against this (Rush Limbaugh (nominally against), Michelle Malkin, etc.)! Besides, if Jimmy Carter is for it...it can't be good for America! And he can brand me a racist all day...I really don't care. I've been called worse! It's a bad idea, and I don't care how much the UAE has cooperated on war on terror.

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You apparently don't know how the longshoremen's union operates. If a manager (top, middle, whatever) said one day: "Uh, let these guys here unload those 2 containers ova there", they'd shut down the entire port B4 they agreed.


If the facts make something a non-issue, does one then fall back on symbolism? And your words highlighted in bold are virtually the exact equivilant of ethnic profiling. (Note please, that you didn't even say "country", just "area").
Here's what I know......As unloyal to America as American companies are that's how loyal people of the middle east are to their beliefs. Do I think the majority mean no harm, you bet. However, if the president can promise that only his constituents get harmed if he's wrong then I don't have a problem with it. For the record I'm not for outsourcing period. I don't care what color/ethnicity/nationality they are.
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"And so, look, I can understand why some in Congress have raised questions about whether or not our country will be less secure as a result of this transaction. But they need to know that our government has looked at this issue and looked at it carefully." George W. Bush

When exactly, was congress kicked out of our government?

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"And so, look, I can understand why some in Congress have raised questions about whether or not our country will be less secure as a result of this transaction. But they need to know that our government has looked at this issue and looked at it carefully." George W. Bush

When exactly, was congress kicked out of our government?

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Not to mention the fact that the Bush administration doesn't have a great track record on assessing threats to our security.

I don't care if its the UK, the UAE or anyone else, handing over our ports to a company owned by a foreign government should not be an option

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You don't get it.. Whatever Bush is doing in his 5 years of service, deliberately or not, serves one very certain thing - Arabs making more money.. It's scary to imagine how many billion dollars of extra money did Arabs make because of Bush policies...

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