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Olympic Figure Skating Analysis


He's here, he's Weir

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports | February 16, 2006





TURIN, Italy – Ah, let's see, how should I phrase this one without getting into trouble?

OK … so, if there was, per chance, the need for a closet to be involved in Johnny Weir's personal life (hypothetically speaking, of course, although, judging by 99 percent of the American public's perception of him there would not be said need) don't you think it is rather remarkable that he has never come out of it?

If, of course, there even is a closet. Oh, and, for the record, not that there is anything wrong with that. Or anything else. But, well, ah, let's just say …

"If Johnny Weir isn't gay, then I'm not gay," said Jim Buzinski, founder of outsports.com, a gay sports web site, on Thursday.

Thank you, Jim, for bailing me out here. (For the record, Jim is gay.)

Johnny Weir has rocketed to become the most popular and talked-about male figure skater in years. And it is not just because of his skating – which, unfortunately, he didn't display in a poor performance here Thursday where he finished fifth.

He's a national phenomenon because of his flamboyant ways, even if he isn't officially gay. Few people seem to care what he really is; they just like the showmanship that makes Elton John look straight.

It's the dandy outfits. It's the rhinestones. It's the Louis Vuitton bags. It is the prancing ways. It's the fact he describes himself as "princessy," says things such as "I felt like the prettiest flower at the pond" and wears a single red glove.

"I call my glove 'Camille,' " he said at the national championships. "Two Ls."

Know any straight men who would say that? How about admitting Christina Aguilera is their idol? I am less convinced Wilt Chamberlain was straight than I am that Johnny Weir is not.

"NBC's segment was titled, 'He's Here, He's Weir," noted Buzinski, a pun off the "we're here, we're queer" gay rights slogan. "Wonder what they were trying to say?"

Buzinski notes that you'd have to have the worst "gaydar" on earth not to sniff this one out. The beauty of it all is that the lack of subtlety is why he so popular.

"He's hysterical," said Buzinski, whose website has been overrun with Weir talk. "He's so out there. Gay people love the guy the way they always love divas."

Straight people do too. I (since we are discussing it) am heterosexual, but feel quite comfortable saying I love the guy. He's colorful, fun, entertaining. We need more characters like him in sports.

"Tony Kornheiser, who is the least gay human being on the planet, loves the guy for who he is," said Buzinski.

But, why, then is Johnny Weir not officially gay? He's declined to answer the question, even on his personal website.

"I don't feel the need to express my sexual being because it's not part of my sport and it's private," Weir writes. "I can sleep with whomever I choose and it doesn't affect what I'm doing on the ice, so speculation is speculation.

"I like nice things, and beautiful things, so if that is the only way people are determining that I swing one way or the other, then to me, that's sad. You can't judge a book by its cover, ever. I am who I am, and I don't need to justify anything to anyone."

This would be a reasonable explanation, except on every other subject Weir is like a 13-year-old girl at a slumber party – no secrets. He talks about everything. He says anything. He seems to relish it.

"He can't [come out] because he will deal with repercussions from judges," claims Jon Jackson, a former skater and Olympic-qualified judge, who is the author of the book "On Edge: Backroom Dealing, Cocktail Scheming, Triple Axels and How Top Skaters Get Screwed."

"I've seen it," Jackson said Thursday, "And it goes beyond (prejudice) from straight judges. (It includes) gay male judges who have their own sexual identity threatened if a gay skater does something feminine."

Jackson, who again for the record, is also gay, says the figure skating establishment in the U.S. encourages skaters to stay in the closet by making it known they want their athletes to be straight because it believes that is what the public wants.

He estimates that 30 to 40 percent of elite male American skaters are gay. But in what Buzinski calls "the gayest sport," there hasn't been an openly gay American skater since Rudy Galindo came out in 1996.

"It is U.S. Figure Skating's mindset that it is not good for skating," said Jackson. "It is what Tonya Harding dealt with. If you are not a perfect lady, it hurts figure skating's image. If you are not perfectly manly, it hurts figure skating's image. But if there was ever a sport [where] it wouldn't matter, it is this one."

U.S. Figure Skating denies those accusations.

"We are not commenting on the book because it so baseless," said Lindsay DeWall, spokesperson for the organization. "I don't think [sexual orientation] is any of our business. A skater is free to be whoever they want to be publicly and privately."

This brings us back to Weir, who despite missing out on a medal, will return to the States as one of the Olympics' most popular and publicized athletes. He is a hero to the gay community – "We love him," said Buzinski. He is popular in much of the straight one, too.

He seems like a natural for Leno, Letterman and who knows what else. He may not get mainstream endorsement deals, but he isn't likely to fade away. Besides, he is only 21 and promises to be back for the next Olympics.

By then, perhaps, we will have gotten to the point where closets, if there are any, no longer matter. Although, judging by the Weir phenomenon, I think mainstream America is closer than ever.

Either way, here's hoping Johnny Weir, whatever he is, hasn't changed one single bit.


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They say never judge a book by it's cover,but I couldn't help it while watching him skate a few minutes ago. This is the first time I've seen or even heard of him and I swear he is screaming "look at me , I am gay" . Anyway, he looks quite elegant t on the ice -- too bad he missed the jumps.
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I think it's pretty obvious. It's great that he still gets respect though. It was not so long ago that openly gay skaters were penalized. I remember Rudi Galindo being under-marked on several occasions, but usually only at Nationals, the international judges never really had a problem with it. I remember at 1996 Nationals he clearly won both the short and long program and was placed 3rd in the short, he skated the performance of his life and won the long program, but I think 2 judges still placed him behind Todd Eldredge which was just inconceivable.
Anyway, Weir is going to be fun to watch for many years. I emailed him once (before he was really famous) on figureskatersonline.com and he would email you back and was very candid, especially when you loaded him with compliments.

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Haha, I was reading a "princessy" quote from Johnny Weir and made the comment that he is beyond gay....my co-worker looked at me like I was crazy...She was like "how do you know???????? I don't believe it."

You should've seen her face when I said, "and so is Brian Boitano"
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I hate to say this but the costumes some of the guys wear.

There's some women who are wearing more masculine outfits

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Well it was obvious to me within three seconds of hearing him speak. But, really who cares, does everybody have to make a public declaration of their sexual preference? I swear its becoming such a national obsession here in the US. Who cares really, well I don't . Let the man skate, if he can.
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He sure sets the world aflame.
Good article, too bad he didn't do better tonight in Turin.
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Why does the writer have to make such a big deal about his sexual orientation? It's not going to be shock of the century if it turns out that another male figure skater is gay. At this point, it'd probably be more shocking if it's the other way around.

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Why does the writer have to make such a big deal about his sexual orientation? It's not going to be shock of the century if it turns out that another male figure skater is gay. At this point, it'd probably be more shocking if it's the other way around.
It would be on us if he turned out to have a girlfriend.

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Why does the writer have to make such a big deal about his sexual orientation? It's not going to be shock of the century if it turns out that another male figure skater is gay. At this point, it'd probably be more shocking if it's the other way around.
Ditto. I mean, it's easier to name the gay ones than ones you know are "totally str8".

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It would be on us if he turned out to have a girlfriend.
no, I think it would be on her if he turned out to have a girlfriend.
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no, I think it would be on her if he turned out to have a girlfriend.
Well, he did hang out with Sasha alot, but they've never claimed to be dating. They did alot of shopping and shit though.

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They're gal pals then.

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Johnny Weir is Bobby Trendy on Ice!




Johnny Weir is insane. He's currently battling for a medal in Torino. I know nothing about him, but when a friend sent me this article on him I suddenly became intrigued. At 20 years old, he's fucking crazy. He honestly is the gayest ice skater of all time and that's a hard title to take! I love him though and he's one of my new heroes. However, I would not hit that. Ok, maybe just in the mouth.

Here's some great quotes from Johnny from an interview he did with Salon.

Johnny on TV:

I don't watch TV. I just tune in for "The Simple Life." Have you seen it yet, with Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie?

Johnny on Parasite Hilton:

I like that she's famous for really not doing anything. And I like her because she rolls with it and she is a huge celebrity now, and she's famous for being famous, as someone quoted at one point, and she definitely goes to her own tune, and I think that's admirable ... But as far as design and stuff, I like the people that are a little bit different. As far as women's clothing, I really like Heatherette. I think they're crazy with everything they do with the rhinestones and the paint, and I think it's very cool. But as far as stuff I wear, I just like things that are different and things that are well made. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a Roberto Cavalli jacket or, um, like a Balenciaga bag. Which I bought yesterday.

Johnny on Fur:

You know, animals wear fur coats, so I don't see any reason why I can't. It's discrimination, I think.

Johnny on His Personal Fur Coat:

It's just, it's coyote fur. It's somehow like a coyote shearling of sorts, and it's really nice, and it's long, and it's beautiful ... I love beautiful things, and if it means having a fur coat or diamonds -- or even if I want to wear a tiara someday -- then that's just the way it's going to be. You know, I really, I don't seek approval or anything.

So I don't think PETA will ever realize that fur is fabulous. But for now I think it is.

Johnny on the Kabbalah:

My string actually fell off while I was up here, so I'm purged of all my negative energy

Johnny on the song he'd like playing when he wins Gold at Torino:

"Beautiful" by Christina Aguilera.

Seriously how gay is he? He also said that one of his nicknames is Tinkerbell and he thinks Michelle Kwan is dowdy.

Johnny look me up we should go shopping at Bebe or wherever you like to go.



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