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I have only just realised that something like the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper would cause so much offence. I think most would agree the reaction was completely over the top, but we need to try to understand different religions better. To be honest, I'm a Christian, and I see people making jokes about my religion ten times a day. I think nothing of it because otherwise I would probably go insane from arguing.

So why was it that the cartoons caused such anger amongst Muslim communities?

I only want to know so I have a better understanding of Islam; I want to understand and respecting everyone's values, especially Muslims, who I feel I should know more about.

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I have only just realised that something like the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper would cause so much offence.
Well duh! You should never underestimate the power of cartoons... They're powerful.

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Hello Alkan....
Because of difernt cultures and values...for some countries, peole may not get offended that easily like you mentioned..I do not know where you are coming from...but for Indoensian. malaysian or other muslim countries..it is no..no to draw a Mohammed, let alone to make fun of it...
I agree that in some countries mixed with anti western, it made things worse or may overreacted but they have a right to be very upset but in my opinion...western may have freedom to express their opinion but they ahve to undertsand that the consequences could rise and other people can become victim because of his or her freedom of expression...is that worth it??? I am not sure....

I think we have to eb a bit sensitive and considerate as we share this planet and live together./....PEACE!!

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I'm an atheist, but I respect people of faith and seek not to offend anyone in that regard. My question is this: Why the HELL would people get so offended as to go on A violent, destructive rampage over some stupid CARTOONS, while they sit mute, saying and doing nothing, while people are STRINGING UP TEENAGE GIRLS BY THE NECK FOR BEING RAPED OR BLOWING UP PUBLIC BUILDINGS FILLED WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM??!!?? WTF???

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I'm an atheist, but I respect people of faith and seek not to offend anyone in that regard. My question is this: Why the HELL would people get so offended as to go on A violent, destructive rampage over some stupid CARTOONS, while they sit mute, saying and doing nothing, while people are STRINGING UP TEENAGE GIRLS BY THE NECK FOR BEING RAPED OR BLOWING UP PUBLIC BUILDINGS FILLED WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM??!!?? WTF???

Different people/culture.....different feeling..like in your case..you are atheist so you do not care....some people care very much about their religions..
It is not about islam that they can be violent....if you offend certain religions.you may expect same thing.....
just like you said...if you respect other religions..dont ever make fun of it..Period!!!

Same thing like boys being raped or molested in Catholic church?? what do you say about that?
Not all islam will be okay if a girl got raped then we pucnih the girll..I am from Indoensia..we see hings different...again..just like christians.. you will see different type of christians..some are okay with homosexuals, some are not...

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I have only just realised that something like the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper would cause so much offence. I think most would agree the reaction was completely over the top, but we need to try to understand different religions better. To be honest, I'm a Christian, and I see people making jokes about my religion ten times a day. I think nothing of it because otherwise I would probably go insane from arguing.

So why was it that the cartoons caused such anger amongst Muslim communities?

I only want to know so I have a better understanding of Islam; I want to understand and respecting everyone's values, especially Muslims, who I feel I should know more about.
Let me break it all down for you in 2 sentences: The muslims' ultimate goal is to convert you to islam. If you resist you are an infidel, and they will kill you since that's what the koran tells them to do.


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Let me break it all down for you in 2 sentences: The muslims' ultimate goal is to convert you to islam. If you resist you are an infidel, and they will kill you since that's what the koran tells them to do.

who are "the muslims"? what is it, a whole group of violent and crazy people? Do you know one muslim?
Guess now i know why you were comparing them to Nazis in another post.

But i really hope statin those things, you're way more informated about Islam than the millions of them who practice their religion peacefully.

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Let me break it all down for you in 2 sentences: The muslims' ultimate goal is to convert you to islam. If you resist you are an infidel, and they will kill you since that's what the koran tells them to do.

You shouldn't kid around like that. I'm not religious, but I respect those who are. And not all Muslims are driven by hate. http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

Incidentally, have you ever read the Koran?
Are you saying that the Koran condones killing people outside the faith?
You certainly post a lot of hateful statements.

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As a counter point...some of the anti-semetic and anti-christian cartoons that appear regularly in Islamic publications are as equally abhorent to the faithful as those published recently in the Danish press and considered to be mocking the islamic faith.

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who are "the muslims"? what is it, a whole group of violent and crazy people? Do you know one muslim?
Guess now i know why you were comparing them to Nazis in another post.

But i really hope statin those things, you're way more informated about Islam than the millions of them who practice their religion peacefully.

Fox news is a bomb.
See, that's the head-scratcher for me. I don't know any Muslims very well, and the few I do know aren't bomb-throwing nut-cases. They seem like wonderful people.
Something is very wrong though. Do Christians get offended when somebody makes fun of their religion? Yes. Maybe. Do they turn out in mobs, start killing people and burning buildings? Nooooo. Firehorse made an analogy about Catholic priests molesting kids. It isn't the same thing. A priest burning someone at the stake in the town square with the blessing of the Church would be a closer analogy. I don't know of any entire nations ruled with an iron fist by Catholic priests. I'm not branding the Islamic faith a bad religion; not at all. It just seems to me that, in practice, they're about five to six hundred years behind Christianity in terms of human rights. I ask myself, "How could people do those things in the name of religion?" when I read history. I ask myself the same question about Islam when I read the news!

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Ever noticed how muslims on wtaworld rarely post in the threads directed towards them? This is the reason why-
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Let me break it all down for you in 2 sentences: The muslims' ultimate goal is to convert you to islam. If you resist you are an infidel, and they will kill you since that's what the koran tells them to do.



I'm not religeous and honestly I don't know much about Islam but I know some muslims who are wonderful people, not brainwashed terrorists as you always seem to generalize.
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I think you guys got the wrong info.My country is the leader of OIC(Organisation of Islamic Countries) and our country didnt have anything to attack or any road rage or anything negative but that doesnt tell us that we are not upset.Our Prime Minister handles this very well and diplomatically.Even Denmark call us for help.What im trying to say is,some people choose different ways to express their anger.But i saw the news last night,in London i think hundreds of Muslim express their feelings very well.No violence.Just normal.That is good.But in some places,they might be too offended.So they act without thinking.And for the bombings and all,i totally disagree on what they are doing,but just imagine if you are a Muslim going around the world,people will look down on you.My cousin and his family cant even enter Australia for holidays because we are muslims.I mean its tough for us.But again why must muslim be assosiated with terrorism,? Well,i think its how people labelled muslim time after time and they react to it.I just want world peace.please.

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I think you guys got the wrong info.My country is the leader of OIC(Organisation of Islamic Countries) and our country didnt have anything to attack or any road rage or anything negative but that doesnt tell us that we are not upset.Our Prime Minister handles this very well and diplomatically.Even Denmark call us for help.What im trying to say is,some people choose different ways to express their anger.But i saw the news last night,in London i think hundreds of Muslim express their feelings very well.No violence.Just normal.That is good.But in some places,they might be too offended.So they act without thinking.And for the bombings and all,i totally disagree on what they are doing,but just imagine if you are a Muslim going around the world,people will look down on you.My cousin and his family cant even enter Australia for holidays because we are muslims.I mean its tough for us.But again why must muslim be assosiated with terrorism,? Well,i think its how people labelled muslim time after time and they react to it.I just want world peace.please.
i agree with everything you've said but the bolded part. how can you be sure of that?

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See, that's the head-scratcher for me. I don't know any Muslims very well, and the few I do know aren't bomb-throwing nut-cases. They seem like wonderful people.
Something is very wrong though. Do Christians get offended when somebody makes fun of their religion? Yes. Maybe. Do they turn out in mobs, start killing people and burning buildings? Nooooo. Firehorse made an analogy about Catholic priests molesting kids. It isn't the same thing. A priest burning someone at the stake in the town square with the blessing of the Church would be a closer analogy. I don't know of any entire nations ruled with an iron fist by Catholic priests. I'm not branding the Islamic faith a bad religion; not at all. It just seems to me that, in practice, they're about five to six hundred years behind Christianity in terms of human rights. I ask myself, "How could people do those things in the name of religion?" when I read history. I ask myself the same question about Islam when I read the news!
i'm wondering too. really.

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I have only just realised that something like the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper would cause so much offence. I think most would agree the reaction was completely over the top, but we need to try to understand different religions better. To be honest, I'm a Christian, and I see people making jokes about my religion ten times a day. I think nothing of it because otherwise I would probably go insane from arguing.

So why was it that the cartoons caused such anger amongst Muslim communities?

I only want to know so I have a better understanding of Islam; I want to understand and respecting everyone's values, especially Muslims, who I feel I should know more about.
I think you should be directing this to the extremist Muslims who are causing the violence. There are 'normal' passive Muslims aswell and most of them (according to media) did not like the cartoons but aren't resorting to violence.

Anyway, it is quite extreme, but wouldn't you be offended if there was a very rude cartoon depicting Jesus in a bad way? Also, remember when the Catholics got upset because of a South Park episode involving the statue of Mary mother of Jesus menstruating?

Btw, you say "to be honest, I'm a Christian". Does that imply that you sometimes don't tell the truth about your faith? (Sorry, this isn't meant to be heard in an accusative way, just wondering)
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