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Paulo Di Canio's fascist disgrace

I can't believe Italian footballer Paulo Di Canio's actions for Italian club Lazio...once upon a time I admired the guy, he is a great player, but the what we learn of him now is unforgivable, and frankly the attitude of the Italian authorities is a disgrace. A one match ban? A tiny fine? Some on the right in Italy I fear never faced up to their role in World War 2.

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LAZIO striker Paolo Di Canio is to appeal against a suspension and a fine imposed following a recent straight-arm salute, claiming that while the gesture is fascist it is not of a racist character.

"I am a fascist, not a racist," Di Canio said yesterday.

"I give the straight-arm salute because it is a salute from a camerata to camerati," he said using the Italian words for members of the late dictator Benito Mussolini's fascist movement. "The salute is aimed at my people. With the straight arm I don't want to incite violence and certainly not racial hatred."

Di Canio missed Lazio's game at Lecce on Wednesday after he was banned for one match and fined 10,000 Euros for making the fascist-style salute during a recent Serie A match.

In his autobiography, Di Canio makes clear his admiration for Mussolini and he also wears a tattoo with the word 'Dux' - Latin for Duce, the name Mussolini gave himself during his rule over the country.

Di Canio was a member of Lazio's hardcore ultra fans before becoming a player - the Lazio ultras are known for their far-right sympathies and links.


Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, owner of AC Milan, this week said the salute "did not have any significance" and described the player as "an exhibitionist but a good lad".

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I totally agree with you. He is a total disgrace and should receive a lengthy global ban in my opinion. He sparked crowd trouble when he first did it against Roma and then deliberately tried to wind up the notoriously left-wing Livorno fans by doing it at their stadium as well. Having got away with that (and receiving support from various far-right politicians), he did it yet again against Juve. He is an embarrassment to Lazio, to Italian football and to himself.
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on the other hand how about the Communist salute (the closed hand)?
I'd like it would be banned as well.....


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on the other hand how about the Communist salute (the closed hand)?
I'd like it would be banned as well.....
I am coming at it from a biased viewpoint, but the closed fist socialist salute is to do with solidarity and togetherness and doesn't have the same negative connotations as the fascist salute. For example, a Scottish socialist politician, Tommy Sheridan, didn't get into trouble for doing it in the parliament, whereas a fascist salute would surely have led to a suspension or even being banned from the parliament. Even the UK Nazi party have the sense not to give fascist salutes.
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I am coming at it from a biased viewpoint, but the closed fist socialist salute is to do with solidarity and togetherness and doesn't have the same negative connotations as the fascist salute. For example, a Scottish socialist politician, Tommy Sheridan, didn't get into trouble for doing it in the parliament, whereas a fascist salute would surely have led to a suspension or even being banned from the parliament. Even the UK Nazi party have the sense not to give fascist salutes.
I see.
well I consider the closed fist the symbol of international communism= 85 million deaths in the world.......Have you ever read the book intitled " The black book on communism" ?


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In addition the Nazi salute actually copies the salute done by people saluting the Emperor during roman times. Di Canio is not a facist or a racist, he is simply honoring the Roman Empire which was noble and just.
Lets not forget that the Swastika was used for Centuries by people in India and is still used on mass today. I doubt that people who use it there are racists. Or even if they are the Hindu swastika is not a racist symbol and I sometmes use it when I go there. Many Italian football fans use it more than Germans, English fans etc.. because the salute as I said was originated by non-racist Romans during the Empire period. Ave Caesar!
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In addition the Nazi salute actually copies the salute done by people saluting the Emperor during roman times. Di Canio is not a facist or a racist, he is simply honoring the Roman Empire which was noble and just.
Lets not forget that the Swastika was used for Centuries by people in India and is still used on mass today. I doubt that people who use it there are racists. Or even if they are the Hindu swastika is not a racist symbol and I sometmes use it when I go there. Many Italian football fans use it more than Germans, English fans etc.. because the salute as I said was originated by non-racist Romans during the Empire period. Ave Caesar!
actually Di Canio has admitted he is a fascist, but I agree, it is not necessarily the same thing as racism
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I see.
well I consider the closed fist the symbol of international communism= 85 million deaths in the world.......Have you ever read the book intitled " The black book on communism" ?
I've never read the book, but I do understand your views. Any symbol can be perverted and used in a derogatory and offensive manner, although I would say that communism was not responsible for the millions of deaths, but rather a semi-fascist Stalinism
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Edit: ...nevermind. If he's doing it to rile up the crowds he should be punished.
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Hitler stole it From Mussolini, who copied the old roman salute. It has the meaning you give it, but coming from an italian playing in a Roman club, it shouldn't be misinterpreted. And I agree that being a fascist is not the same as being a racist, just like being a communist doesn't mean you are open minded

And the swastika is an old hindu or buddhist symbol too, so if someone from these religions show up with it doesn't mean they are nazis

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oh and Lazio's fans are mostly right-wing while A.S. Roma's fans are left-wing, so I think it's a little more complex than that, you should know what you're talking about before coming in and opinionating

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I used to love Paolo when he played for Celtic, but he always struck me as being a little bit unpredictable mentally. It was a stupid thing to do and he's well into his 30s now - it's not like he's some young kid getting all excited in the heat of the moment. He should have known better.


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In addition the Nazi salute actually copies the salute done by people saluting the Emperor during roman times. Di Canio is not a facist or a racist, he is simply honoring the Roman Empire which was noble and just.
Lets not forget that the Swastika was used for Centuries by people in India and is still used on mass today. I doubt that people who use it there are racists. Or even if they are the Hindu swastika is not a racist symbol and I sometmes use it when I go there. Many Italian football fans use it more than Germans, English fans etc.. because the salute as I said was originated by non-racist Romans during the Empire period. Ave Caesar!
The swastika may have Hindu ancestral lineage, but today, it is widely identified with the Nazi and the atrocities they commited clad under that symbol. That is why it is unacceptable by most societies today to use that symbol
Likewise, the salute is widely associated with the facists, who brought shame and dishonor to Italy and Italians.

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Few posters have now mentioned how right-wing are some italians football fans?

For someone who does not follow European football, how do they (the supportters) treat non-white players of their club.
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