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Should New Orleans Be Rebuilt - Spectrum of Opinions; Want To Add Your Voice???

Since Katrina hit New Orleans the country has been divided between those who want to rebuild and those who don't.

Is it time for this forum to tackle this issue??

Reasons given on each side have merits.

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Of course the majority of people want to rebuild N.O., for what it primarily represents to the country: cultural heritage of jazz, French culture and easy going life style where all social echelons of the society enjoy the big easy. Those who live there, for obvious reason, advocate the rebuilding. It is their home. Then there is the historian and cultural custodian of the country, in particular the southern gold coast. There are the economists, who have come to the conclusion with deep reservation I might add, that the oil production and port are too important not to rebuild New Orleans.

Srill, there is another group, in majority not from New Orleans, who want to preserve the culture of New Orleans for their own enjoyment. Their critics think this reason is selfish, self-serving and highly patronizing of NO as a third world tourist spot where rich westerners go to unwind (with all the implication of the expression). Outside the petroleum industry, New Orleans is largely dependent on a service economy, cattle and fishery. All of these sectors, given their very nature, fluctuate very often and are also seasonal.



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The argument here is generally short, but equally compelling and very sobering. Folks arguing this point stay clear of any emotional attachment to New Orleans and/or, social enginering redressing the inequity of old New Orleans or patritotic sloganering. Theirs is simply economical. It is risk a versus benefits.
It is the unforgiving, dry, actuarial approach of probalitiy and statitiscs, where the result of the numbers are the sole deterministic factor of what course of action to take.
They argue, it is simply not in the best interest of the state of LA and the country as a whole to undertake such a gigantic effort whose economic returns are very uncertain if not negative, and likely to push the country further in depth. Those who take this position do not pretend to come from a place where culture or history has much weight in their argument. It is purely economical.

Some, more familiar with Louisiana politics, further argues that, because endemic corruption in all level of state government, the rebuilding effort is unlikely to bear fruit, even under the best of circumstances.




There have been a number of articles already written on this topic.


Slate magazine, a liberal leaning publication, is against.

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2125810&nav=tap1/



Surprisingly enough Thomas Sowell, a conservative economist is for rebuilding.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050906.shtml



Micahel Barone conservative supply-sider, is for it, but argues that it will not be the same New Orleans.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/m...20050905.shtml



I am not aware if The Weekly Standards, The National Review, The Nation and The New Republic have taken an editorial position.

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Doeas anyone knows if any prominent think tank (right, center, or left) has put out a position paper yet?

Normally the Heritage Foundation, The Cato Institute or AEI would have done so by now.

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As long as the corrupt idiotic leaders in Louisiana are not given the money to be sent.
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As long as the corrupt idiotic leaders in Louisiana are not given the money to be sent.
That is the one proverbial conflict of state right vs the Federal goverment.
Although the LA goverment has not yet spoken on this issue, the Missisipi governor, the republican Haley Barbour and former RNC chairman has. He is resisting any effort that will give the federal goverment the primary role in the rebuilding effort.

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Of course it should be. Those economic arguments against are very short-sighted.

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Most reporters on the ground do not share the can-do spirit of the few residents, who, amid the rubbles and debris, are very optimisitic about the speed of the rebuilding effort.

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Come on you guys. This is in the news now....
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It's time to put the Reaganomics mysticism to work: they said that by giving corporate welfare to the wealthy, it would "trickle down" to the poor eventually. Well, we've had 25 years of Reaganomics since 1980 and the poor have not gotten one cent from the wealthy as of yet. But Bush has given the wealthy at least $ 3 trillion dollars before interest/dividends accumulations. Therefore, it's time for them to trickle down that money into the segments of society that need it the most.

Of course, we all know that David Stockman (the architect of Reaganomics) admitted that it was all welfare for the wealthy and that only they would benefit from this ideological nonsense. Therefore, no tax dollars are needed to rebuild New Orleans. Private dollars are all that are needed and Bushshit has seen to it that they have plenty.

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Of course it should be. Those economic arguments against are very short-sighted.
Why?

The entire country is going to have to foot the bill for rebuilding New Orleans and for all this. I question the logic of rebuilding a city where this is very likely to happen again. Isn't there some sense in avoiding the same mistake twice? Building a city below sea level in a hurricane alley lacks any kind of reason.

If they want to rebuild the city, that's fine... but those people need to be aware of the risk they are taking, and the people as a whole should not be responsible for bailing them out financially if this happens again. This time, I don't mind it, but if they go back to the same place and lightning strikes again, they should be on their own.


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Why?

The entire country is going to have to foot the bill for rebuilding New Orleans and for all this. I question the logic of rebuilding a city where this is very likely to happen again. Isn't there some sense in avoiding the same mistake twice? Building a city below sea level in a hurricane alley lacks any kind of reason.

If they want to rebuild the city, that's fine... but those people need to be aware of the risk they are taking, and the people as a whole should not be responsible for bailing them out financially if this happens again. This time, I don't mind it, but if they go back to the same place and lightning strikes again, they should be on their own.
As a compromise between your position and those advocating rebuilding at any cost, a third position as emerged. It agues that the city should be rebuilt at different location, where the land has better natural protection: above sea level and little further from the water for example.

This compromise is not without questions. Chief among them are:
  • Is it possible to find such a place near New Orleans?
  • Because it would probably be a brand new city with all new logistics associated with a modern city(new sewage, water system, street, cultural and civic centers, public spaces, etc), it might cost even more

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That's not really a compromise, that's my plan Rebuilding New Orleans means building it again, like it was. If they build a new city, it's a new city, no matter what they call it.


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That's not really a compromise, that's my plan Rebuilding New Orleans means building it again, like it was. If they build a new city, it's a new city, no matter what they call it.
Are you saying what I described as a compromise solution (building the city at a new location) is also your position?

From your previous post, it is clear you are against rebuilding the city
I also failed to see (in your post) where you endorsed building a new city or what I called a compromise betwwen the 2 extreme positons: pro or against rebuilding.
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Rebuilding the city = building it in the same place.

That is what I am against.


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You can't "rebuild" the city in a different place, because it was never built there to begin with.


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