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4 Rules of Masculinity

I was reading about gender equality in education for an upcoming interview, and according to this article, in the 1970's, a psychologist came up with 4 basic rules of masculinity:

1 No Sissy Stuff. Masculinity is based on the relentless repudiation of the feminine.

2 Be a Big Wheel. Masculinity is measured by the size of your paycheck, and marked by wealth, power and status. As a US bumper sticker put it: 'He who has the most toys when he dies, wins.'

3 Be a Sturdy Oak. What makes a man a man is that he is reliable in a crisis. And what makes him reliable in a crisis is that he resembles an inanimate object. A rock, a pillar, a tree.

4.Give 'em Hell. Exude an aura of daring and aggression. Take risks; live life on the edge.

What do you guys think? Do these rules still apply today? Or has the feminine revolution changed the way that we look at men and women?
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I dunno... I like manly men, but they have to have a sensitive softer side.
I think things have changed. The de-masculation of society is an ever-evolving process, and is in tangent to the escalation in education as a people. More educated persons are typically not so rigid and set in older ways and values. Open mindedness, maybe?
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I was reading about gender equality in education for an upcoming interview, and according to this article, in the 1970's, a psychologist came up with 4 basic rules of masculinity:
Interesting, I will give you my take on this one.

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1 No Sissy Stuff. Masculinity is based on the relentless repudiation of the feminine.
I dont really know what that means exactly. yes i would say acting like a wuss is not exactly masculine. Heterosexual men wearing dresses and painting their nails and being scared of a mouse would cause most guys to laugh. i have no other insights.

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2 Be a Big Wheel. Masculinity is measured by the size of your paycheck, and marked by wealth, power and status. As a US bumper sticker put it: 'He who has the most toys when he dies, wins.'
Is this what most people think. Yes, a big paycheck helps a man appear masculine. but certainly a man who behaves with dignity and respect towards others is generally seen as 'masculine' by most people. Plenty of little fish are plenty masculine. Rocky Balboa was masculine before he got rich, and was still masculine when he lost his money.

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3 Be a Sturdy Oak. What makes a man a man is that he is reliable in a crisis. And what makes him reliable in a crisis is that he resembles an inanimate object. A rock, a pillar, a tree.
Partially true. I think these days, both men and women who can handle crisies are admired. But it is not exclusive to men.

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4.Give 'em Hell. Exude an aura of daring and aggression. Take risks; live life on the edge.
Not true. I dont think so. A man who knows his limits is not less masculine than a reckless person. in fact a reckless person is usually considered much more childish than a daring aggressive one.


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What do you guys think? Do these rules still apply today? Or has the feminine revolution changed the way that we look at men and women?
I dont think these rules apply today. the people i have met tend to appreciate a man who is reasonable and reliable, who can handle himself in times of stress or worse. Men today can be fathers and sensitive and hold babies and it doesnt take away from their masculine images. what is the feminine revolution anyway. I thought the feminine revolution is a thing in the past. IMO, feminists made lots of ground in the workplace and in peoples minds, it changed society. But then feminism became CAREERISM, such that women who opted for families and not Careers were somehow thought to be less feminist, less strong and adult etc. Clearly that was not fair, because if ALL women were to be respected by society, certainly motherhood had to be respected too. Of course, womens studies programs and the like are very successful and beneficial to society, but i dont think we can talk about a feminine revolution anymore, it just seemed to have sizzled out.
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what is wrong with number 4? Also not many men including me are against number 1. We laugh at the metrosexuals. As for gays, there are those who are not feminin and they are ok.
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OMG...those rules sounded like a parody. I can't believe someone was actually serious with them. And people are agreeing! Atleast we know sexism is still alive and well.


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OMG...those rules sounded like a parody. I can't believe someone was actually serious with them. And people are agreeing! Atleast we know sexism is still alive and well.
Why are you panicking. Is it because you fail all of the 4 rules. Relax, you can hang out with the beckham wannabes and so on.
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3 Be a Sturdy Oak. What makes a man a man is that he is reliable in a crisis. And what makes him reliable in a crisis is that he resembles an inanimate object. A rock, a pillar, a tree.
Really?

I guess my whole life I've been dealing with the wrong men, cos they always seem to fall apart when shit gets tough.


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lmfao. Probably a very sexist psychologist (even in the 70's).

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I find 2 and 4 laughable, though I see some truth in 1 and 3.
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These four rules seem very outdated and based on stereotypes. Who defines what is sissy stuff for instance? To me every man should do what makes him feel good and not focus on what others think.
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i dont think we can talk about a feminine revolution anymore, it just seemed to have sizzled out.
Has it really? Well then, I wish somebody would inform the local radical feminists who recently defaced public property and ripped hundreds of newspapers off the stands in response to a picture of a woman diving into a pool in a bikinin being on the cover Frankly, there are much better things to fight for than this particular matter, so I wish that somebody would tell these people that feminist issues are like, so 5 minutes ago.
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what is wrong with number 4? Also not many men including me are against number 1. We laugh at the metrosexuals. As for gays, there are those who are not feminin and they are ok.
I've always considered men who laugh at metrosexuals somewhat insecure.
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What a pathetic set of protocols, which only demonstrates the worthless ego of a man during a time in the USA, where society strictly dictated that man is superior than women in each and every entire way, by having laws with lower wage for women, discrimination against women when getting jobs, and the constant propaganda which came along with the TV's evolution.

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