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post #1 of 66 (permalink) Old Jun 24th, 2005, 11:38 AM Thread Starter
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Do you find the black housekeeper on "Tom & Jerry" offensive?

And do you agree on cutting her out and replacing her with a white woman, or replacing her original voice?

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i dont think it is offensive!

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Erm, no. But then I am a white male so why would I?
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It's a product of its time. You think that's bad, try watching Dumbo and really listen to some of that dialog and song lyrics.

If you cut out the Tom and Jerry maid, next they'll be deleting out Butterfly McQueen and Hattie McDaniel from Gone with the Wind!

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I guess it was originally intended to be offensive like several other racial jokes in Tom and Jerry, but I prefer they leave the original cuts of the cartoons in instead of changing voices and cutting out scenes. Tom and Jerry is THE best cartoon ever made, end of story.
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It was the 1940s and 1950s. when i first say it was offended, but we i found about when it was, i was less offended. but i dont she comes on anymore, just her voice.

what was really offensive is some early mickey mouse ones and the bugs ones from WWII.

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It's a product of its time. You think that's bad, try watching Dumbo and really listen to some of that dialog and song lyrics.

If you cut out the Tom and Jerry maid, next they'll be deleting out Butterfly McQueen and Hattie McDaniel from Gone with the Wind!
i agree with you. as for gone with the wind, how i hate that movie. to me its nothing more than birth of a nation in color.

"racism is dead, it died when MLK walked on a bridge and freed the slaves. Now we have a socialist Kenyan president who is not an American and if anyone mentions race they are a reverse racist (while racism is dead, reverse racism is alive and well.) #whattheyteachyouatfox"
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I think it's pivotal to keep it to show that racism was a part of every aspect of life. If it's censored, people would deny it even happened.

It's offensive to me, personally, but I take into consideration the time period.

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I think it's pivotal to keep it to show that racism was a part of every aspect of life. If it's censored, people would deny it even happened.

It's offensive to me, personally, but I take into consideration the time period.
May I ask whether you think the portrayal of the woman is racist itself?

Not being aware of the context, I never thought her image was a negative one, or something to point and laugh at. I mean, she always gave Tom hell and had the rule in that household.
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May I ask whether you think the portrayal of the woman is racist itself?

Not being aware of the context, I never thought her image was a negative one, or something to point and laugh at. I mean, she always gave Tom hell and had the rule in that household.
the extra dark skin, the big white lips coupled with her size, yep that's offensive enough in itself. ya add broken english and you've got yourself a Mamie.

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I NEVER watch T & J, but just judging from the picture, yes probably it is offensive. it reminds me of the Ant Jemima look, of a heavy black woman ,etc, yes its probably offensive to Black Americans, and White Americans who are sensitive to racial stereotyping.
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the extra dark skin, the big white lips coupled with her size, yep that's offensive enough in itself. ya add broken english and you've got yourself a Mamie.
Are you sure her face was ever shown? I can't remember ever seeing it.
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May I ask whether you think the portrayal of the woman is racist itself?

Not being aware of the context, I never thought her image was a negative one, or something to point and laugh at. I mean, she always gave Tom hell and had the rule in that household.
She definitely was there to point and laugh at. Cause we all (my family) laughed at her at some point. Like I said before though I'd take the original over the "politically correct" version anytime. They waited too long to change it anyway. I think it should be kept in for reasons rokkstarr already stated. I think it's important for kids watching these cartoons to know that there are racial undertones to some of them. Otherwise it's sorta playing like it never happened.
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