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Bush asked to explain UK war memo

Thursday, May 12, 2005 Posted: 2:49 AM EDT (0649 GMT)



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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eighty-nine Democratic members of the U.S. Congress last week sent President George W. Bush a letter asking for explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002.

The timing of the memo was well before the president brought the issue to Congress for approval.

The Times of London newspaper published the memo -- actually minutes of a high-level meeting on Iraq held July 23, 2002 -- on May 1.

British officials did not dispute the document's authenticity, and Michael Boyce, then Britain's Chief of Defense Staff, told the paper that Britain had not then made a decision to follow the United States to war, but it would have been "irresponsible" not to prepare for the possibility.

The White House has not yet responded to queries about the congressional letter, which was released on May 6.

The letter, initiated by Rep. John Conyers, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, said the memo "raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of your own administration..."

"While various individuals have asserted this to be the case before, including Paul O'Neill, former U.S. Treasury Secretary, and Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, they have been previously dismissed by your administration," the letter said.

But, the letter said, when the document was leaked Prime Minister Tony Blair's spokesman called it "nothing new."

In addition to Blair, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon, Attorney General Peter Goldsmith, MI6 chief Richard Dearlove and others attended the meeting.

A British official identified as "C" said that he had returned from a meeting in Washington and that "military action was now seen as inevitable" by U.S. officials.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

"The NSC had no patience with the U.N. route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

The memo further discussed the military options under consideration by the United States, along with Britain's possible role.

It quoted Hoon as saying the United States had not finalized a timeline, but that it would likely begin "30 days before the U.S. congressional elections," culminating with the actual attack in January 2003.

"It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided," the memo said.

"But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

The British officials determined to push for an ultimatum for Saddam to allow U.N. weapons inspectors back into Iraq to "help with the legal justification for the use of force ... despite U.S. resistance."

Britain's attorney general, Peter Goldsmith, advised the group that "the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action" and two of three possible legal bases -- self-defense and humanitarian intervention -- could not be used.

The third was a U.N. Security Council resolution, which Goldsmith said "would be difficult."

Blair thought that "it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the U.N. inspectors."

"If the political context were right, people would support regime change," the memo said.

Later, the memo said, Blair would work to convince Bush that they should pursue the ultimatum with Saddam even though "many in the U.S. did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route."

Hmm, I want to see how the White House gets out of this one

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The facts were being fixed for sure. The war was based on lies.
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Hmm, I want to see how the White House gets out of this one
it does not have to. at this point americans know that the war was based on lies. some care. others have decided that it doesnt matter because bush talks with god and can do no wrong. :retard:

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it does not have to. at this point americans know that the war was based on lies. some care. others have decided that it doesnt matter because bush talks with god and can do no wrong. :retard:
Darn it Jigglypuff, you always hit the mark before I do.
You are very correct. Many in America are now aware of the lies and don't care. All one need do is listen to the CableNews stations and talk radio.
The Religious Right Neo-Conservatives have fully succeeded in doing what they intended (per the PNAC Doctrine). And those that do care, unfortunately assisted in voting that psycho President into office yet again.

There isn't much left for the NeoCons to do now except to complete the democratization of the rest of the Middle East, and wah-lah, world domination.
We've already given most of our own rights away by way of the Patriot Act. But oh well, this is old news.

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God bless Bush and what he has done in the world. I like Bush as much as Hautbois like Blair & they both had the same opinion on Saddam. So if you want to trash me for liking Bush than you can trash Hautbois for liking Blair.
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damned Islamic fundementalists bombing people here and there. Thanks for the post Assa. We need to combat these extremists and Bush & Blair are the best guys for these jobs. The sad part is that Iraq has a surplus of journalists. Things are far worse in Congo and Sudan but the free world can't be everywhere.

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"An eye for an eye" only ends up making the whole world blind. Those pictures are highly symbolic. People tend to forget how terrible thing war is.
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Wars are indeed terrible but there are sometimes a necessary evil. Clinton also was involved in wars. Under the auspices of NATO, U.S. troops bombed Serbia. I'm sorry but that's war too. He was also invloved in Somalia fiasco. That's war too. In these wars, 100s of civilians died. What I'm trying to say is one should not finger-point Bush just ebcause they don't like his politics.
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Darn it Jigglypuff, you always hit the mark before I do.
You are very correct. Many in America are now aware of the lies and don't care. All one need do is listen to the CableNews stations and talk radio.
The Religious Right Neo-Conservatives have fully succeeded in doing what they intended (per the PNAC Doctrine). And those that do care, unfortunately assisted in voting that psycho President into office yet again.

There isn't much left for the NeoCons to do now except to complete the democratization of the rest of the Middle East, and wah-lah, world domination.
We've already given most of our own rights away by way of the Patriot Act. But oh well, this is old news.

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I'm an American and I care. I must say I'm embarassed for my country that Bush got reelected.

As for this story, I regret most of the media bigwigs are neo conservatives or this would be getting more coverage.

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Unfortunately Jigglypuff is right. The Bush administration will never be held accountable for the lies told to the American people. I would like to see non-partisan action taken concerning this memo because it would be a great travesty if this is not investigated.

And all the claims of how the,"liberal media" is out for Bush is simply a lie. Their is no liberal media, because if their was one they would be all over these memos. Conyers had to request a response from the President, the media is more concerned about that ignorant Runaway Bride story.


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Wars are indeed terrible but there are sometimes a necessary evil. Clinton also was involved in wars. Under the auspices of NATO, U.S. troops bombed Serbia. I'm sorry but that's war too. He was also invloved in Somalia fiasco. That's war too. In these wars, 100s of civilians died. What I'm trying to say is one should not finger-point Bush just ebcause they don't like his politics.
i do love how you totally miss the point: that this war was completely unnecessary.

as for you commentary on clinton. we are talking about the memo.
yes you hate clinton we got it. but is a non issue. (not because everyone approved of his actions, in fact everone i know who opposed bush wars also opposed clintons wars. i am opposed to anywar that is not the very last resort and justifably defense ie. is a response to a clear and present threat, which this was not.)

call me crazy but i dont think killing and dismembering children to "free" them is really unjustifiable in this day and age regardless who the fuck the leader of the attack is.

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Unfortunately Jigglypuff is right. The Bush administration will never be held accountable for the lies told to the American people. I would like to see non-partisan action taken concerning this memo because it would be a great travesty if this is not investigated.

And all the claims of how the,"liberal media" is out for Bush is simply a lie. Their is no liberal media, because if their was one they would be all over these memos. Conyers had to request a response from the President, the media is more concerned about that ignorant Runaway Bride story.


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