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Should the UK divorce each other?

With the general election coming up, Obatafan and I have been discussing the potential benefits of separate independent states.

What are your opinions, should Wales, Scotland, England, even Northern Ireland become completely independant of each other?

I'm not entirely convinced it would work, yet.

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Yes, it would be amusing to see them attempt to survive independently, might make them hate us a little bit less.

and where they produce desolation, they call it peace
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Yes.

I call myself English not British. It wouldn't bother me at all if Wales. Scotland & N.Ireland *Which should be part of Ireland itself instead of the UK* made there own countries.

Might get rid of our awful national anthem to
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Aside from the economic arguments that necessitate independence, there are compelling social and political arguments for it too.

For a start, economic policy is formed and developed in Westminster, and in a union like the UK that is always going to be more biased (and rightly so) towards the larger, more populated country in that union. This is alright if the union has a purpose for all the people in it, which there doesn't appear to be now. There is predicted to be only a negligible financial difference (for Scotland at least) between independence and continuation in union, and those predictions can say that Scotland would be worse off or better of, depending on which economists you talk to. However, the economic power is based in and is controlled by England (and Bank of England) which necessarily has English interests at heart. If its not working for the different countries of the UK, why flog a dead horse? All the areas of the UK are capable of sustaining themselves quite well, so its a non-issue.

The social and political issues are interesting. There was/is quite a bit of resentment to what is perceived as England ignoring our interests which I think would be quite easily wiped with a divorce. The problem that the independence movement has now is that many of the originally self-made industries and media are now owned by the inevitably SNP-hostile or indifferent English or foreign companies, so the likelihood of the levers of power falling into the main independence party's hands are slim at best.

The basis and logic for the separation is there, as is the economic sense and potential, but at the moment the self-belief is not and neither is the political will. Until we have that, it will ultimately stagnate.

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I think it would be pointless and quite silly but I don't care that much.
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Just get rid of England. I cannot stand those pompous arrogant bastards. Especially that shitehawk up at Buck house!
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I think the UK should divorce each other We all know that England is the far superior nation of the United Kingdom, and I'm sure we'd be able to cope fine on our own. The Scots & The Welsh would soon want to come back when they begin to struggle as an independant country!
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However, the economic power is based in and is controlled by England (and Bank of England) which necessarily has English interests at heart. If its not working for the different countries of the UK, why flog a dead horse? All the areas of the UK are capable of sustaining themselves quite well, so its a non-issue.
Scotland does get more back in government spending than it gives in taxes than any part of England.

Wales could not survive independently.

NI would combust.

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I didn't know our marriage was in crisis I'll keep quiet from now on
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Just think how many innocent lives would not have been lost if all the other countries didn’t have to fight England’s war for her in Iraq.
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I think we need Scotland and Wales to keep the Labour government in power. Also we wouldn't have the likes of Tony Blair and Elena Baltacha without Scotland
Elena lives in Enfield, so Scotland does nothing for her.
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also, if Elena had always been in England, she wouldn't ever have had such a silly accent
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We all know that England is the far superior nation of the United Kingdom
and the English wonder why we have a problem with them.....
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Scotland does get more back in government spending than it gives in taxes than any part of England.

Wales could not survive independently.

NI would combust.
1) Again, it depends on which economists you ask, and the Barnett Formula for working out which area gets what, is now widely discredited. Besides, the economic direction of the country would be determined in the years after independence, so how much money is received now is of little relevance.
2) It could survive quite fine. It's not a barren land of permafrost and tumbleweed.
3) Well, you might have a point there

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1) Again, it depends on which economists you ask, and the Barnett Formula for working out which area gets what, is now widely discredited. Besides, the economic direction of the country would be determined in the years after independence, so how much money is received now is of little relevance.
2) It could survive quite fine. It's not a barren land of permafrost and tumbleweed.
3) Well, you might have a point there
I'm willing to conceed on point 1, because my knowledge does not go beyond a-level a few years ago. But Wales would not be self sufficient if they wanted to continue living in the same way. I suppose the EU could help them out for a while until they could, but then again this is the institution who left Wales off their map.

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