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Question Can you be smart and religious ?

(no offence to anyone, this form of question was just to make people react...)

...considering religions as they should be practiced by their so-called saint books...

Appearence or contents of any religion are easily understanable as part of human nature and history and their evolutions.

Based on my personal experience, more I learn about any religion, more I am convinced about the total absence of any "divine" nature of it...

Still, coming up to more abstract considerations about religions in "privileged" world, I always wonder:

"How any religion can be considered in any way as any God's message despite its numerous total incoherences?"

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YES - I used to be extremely hostile to religion & although I still don't yet neccessarily believe in the existance of god, I do believe in Christianity as a society-enhancing belief system.

Judeo-Christian philosophy is the bedrock of Western civilisation & its erosion in Western Europe has contributed to pervasive social breakdown & a conspicuous moral vacuum.

It is healthy for people to believe in something bigger than themselves & to feel that the virtue of their actions on earth will directly affect their fate after death.

Deeply religious Christians may not like gay marriage or abortion but by & large they arent the ones mugging old ladies & holding up banks are they?

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Deeply religious Christians may not like gay marriage or abortion but by & large they arent the ones mugging old ladies & holding up banks are they?
No, they're too busy fucking little boys.

Seriously though, this question is rather silly. Of course you can be intelligent and religious. Yes, lots of stupid people are religious. Lots of stupid people are athiests too. There just happen to be a lot of stupid people.
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No, they're too busy fucking little boys.

Seriously though, this question is rather silly. Of course you can be intelligent and religious. Yes, lots of stupid people are religious. Lots of stupid people are athiests too. There just happen to be a lot of stupid people.
Thats pretty funny.

However, I think its liberal catholics rather than conservative evangelicals who have been banging kids. When I said "deeply religious" I meant DEEPLY RELIGIOUS.

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We were CREATED for worship...everyone worships something (or someone).

What do YOU worship???




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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Thats pretty funny.

However, I think its liberal catholics rather than conservative evangelicals who have been banging kids. When I said "deeply religious" I meant DEEPLY RELIGIOUS.
Ohh, I like that defense - if they're stupid or doing something people don't approve of, they aren't "real" (insert religious demonimation). Convenient.

FYI, the priests busted for messing with kids ran the gamut of liberal/conservative. And the church leaders that let it happen were deeply conservative men.

None the less, of course highly intelligent people can religious. Two aren't mutually exclusive.

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Psalms 148:5 - Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

Revelation 4:11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Absolutely not - all religious people are blithering idiots who were lucky to make it out of third grade...
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George Bush is religious not clearly not smart so that version is NO

Personally I don't know or care
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(please, I don't want to say that religious people are stupid...)

The fact is that if you take religions for what they pretend to be, that is God's message to humanity, there are quite few problems...

Today, to give some credibility to any religion, people tend to consider only the nice universal aspects of it and put aside all the rest...

It's just too easy. If you are religious, you should be as God is supposed to ask it through it's message brought by religions.

Now, the fact is that quite few aspects of any religious messages are totally incoherent if not totally wrong.

What I want to say is that it is very difficult, if not totally impossible to consider any "divine" source for any religion once you try to understand those things in a simple way.

I simply think (and I have often opportunity to see it too) that many people who consider themselves religious don't know many things about their religion at all, or know only those nice and universal aspects that are the only ones put in evidence for being credible,plausible or believeable at some point.

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"smart" is very relative and "religious" is similarly relative.

so its very relative.

i find few ivy league grads to be "smart" (see GW bush) and i find few "Christians" to actually be "religious" e.g. "Christ"ians as in following the teachings of CHRIST, (most** follow mob*** rule based on popular interpretations of poorly translations of books that were compiled 100 plus years AFTER Jesus died*, written by people who if likely never even saw Christ let alone knew him. and what worse is they cut up these faulty translations of books by people to justify actions that go explicitly AGAINST the teachings of Christ: war, abuse of the poor and meek and so on. oh but it doesn't stop there, then some of these folks who use mistranslated words of the teachings of a GOOD man by written by people who didn't likely know him to try to make you feel bad because even though you actually follow HIS teachings (opposing war abuse of the helpless and so on) you don't ascribe this misguided mob rule or support fools who manipulate HIS words to justify rape of nations) yes i am a bit bitter...

*i always find it funny, that few wonder why HE never wrote an account of his own life and teachings, and even more interesting that this really isn't an issue of concern for most. a god bears a son that is sent to earth to die for everyones sins, and tells everyone what to write about everything including how the world was created, but cant seem to find the time to tell the son to write his own account (in book form of course) of what he did while on earth?
personally i smell fish.

** i say most, i mean most, not all. if this rant doesn't apply to you, than it wasn't intended to, it means most and most does not mean all. most means most.

***mob Audio pronunciation of "mob" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mb)
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2. The mass of common people; the populace.
3. An indiscriminate or loosely associated group of persons or things: a mob of boats in the harbor.
4. Australian. A flock or herd of animals.

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since when did religious=christian??


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Well, Kant and Kierkegaard, Darwin, Einstein, and Mariangelina all managed it, so I suppose so. Believing in dogma is a fairly stupid thing to do, but nobody's perfect.
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since when did religious=christian??
it doesnt. if you mean the early stages of my rant (and a very good one at that if i may say so myself) i said " i find few "Christians" to actually be "religious" e.g. "Christ"ians "

simply put: christians can be said to be religous because chirstian is A religion, BUT not all religous people (people belonging to a religion) are chirstians because there are thousands of religions. this is why i said "e.g. chirstians" e.g. = for example, in the cas of:

"racism is dead, it died when MLK walked on a bridge and freed the slaves. Now we have a socialist Kenyan president who is not an American and if anyone mentions race they are a reverse racist (while racism is dead, reverse racism is alive and well.) #whattheyteachyouatfox"
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it doesnt. if you mean the early stages of my rant (and a very good one at that if i may say so myself) i said " i find few "Christians" to actually be "religious" e.g. "Christ"ians "

simply put: christians can be said to be religous because chirstian is A religion, BUT not all religous people (people belonging to a religion) are chirstians because there are thousands of religions. this is why i said "e.g. chirstians" e.g. = for example, in the cas of:
no it was just directed at the whole thread. sorry if it seemed like it was directed at you.

i actually agree with you about finding few christians to be truly religious.


....This is fucked up, fucked up....

This is your blind spot, blind spot.
It should be obvious, but it's not.

You cannot kickstart a dead horse
You just crush yourself and walk away
I don't care what the future holds
Cause I'm right here in your arms today
With your fingers you can touch me

I'll be your black swan, black swan
I'm for spare parts, broken up.




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