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8:13 AM March 5

Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has been freed by her captors in Iraq but US forces mistakenly opened fire on the convoy taking her to safety, wounding her and killing an Italian secret service agent.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said he had immediately summoned the US ambassador, declaring someone had to take responsibility for US soldiers opening fire.

The US military has confirmed its forces fired on and wounded Ms Sgrena and killed a fellow passenger when their car sped up near a checkpoint on the road to Baghdad airport.

"At approximately 8:55pm [local time] coalition forces ... fired on a vehicle approaching a checkpoint in Baghdad at a high rate of speed," Lieutenant Colonel Mike Caldwell said, reading an official statement.

"The recently freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena was an occupant in the vehicle and was apparently injured.

"The details are not clear at this point. Apparently, a second person in the automobile was killed.

"Ms Sgrena is being treated by coalition medical personnel. The incident is under investigation."

Mr Berlusconi told a news conference the agent was shot dead at a US checkpoint and that Ms Sgrena had been wounded in the shoulder.

Ms Sgrena, 57, a correspondent for the Rome-based Communist newspaper Il Manifesto, was kidnapped on February 4.

The paper's editor, Gabriele Polo, said her release had been ruined by the shooting.

"This news, which should have be a moment of celebration, has been ruined by this fire fight," he told Sky Italia television, struggling to fight back tears.

"An Italian agent has been killed by an American bullet. A tragic demonstration which we never wanted that everything that's happening in Iraq is completely senseless and mad."

After Ms Sgrena's kidnap, insurgents released a video of her sobbing and wringing her hands as she pleaded for Italian troops to leave Iraq.

In a new video aired on Al Jazeera television on Friday, Ms Sgrena was shown wearing a black dress and sitting in front of a table with a plate of fruit.

Al Jazeera said that on the tape, Ms Sgrena thanked her captors for treating her well.

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How incompetent can the so-called 'almighty' American military be? I feel terrible for the Italian secret agent and the journalist. The secret agent was just doing his job by rescuing an innocent Italian civilian and what does he get for his effort? A bullet sent straight through his body. And the journalist's moment of relief from having been saved from imminent decapitation was completely ruined by those very same idiots.

Thank you U.S. military for again making a huge mockery out of your intelligence and presence in Iraq
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How incompetent can the so-called 'almighty' American military be? I feel terrible for the Italian secret agent and the journalist. The secret agent was just doing his job by rescuing an innocent Italian civilian and what does he get for his effort? A bullet sent straight through his body. And the journalist's moment of relief from having been saved from imminent decapitation was completely ruined by those very same idiots.

Thank you U.S. military for again making a huge mockery out of your intelligence and presence in Iraq
That really is a torrent of simplistic left-wing gargage.

Sweeping aside your follow-the-crowd anti-Americanism - now that Saddam has been toppled, who do you actually want to win in Iraq?

A/ The imperfect US-led coalition fighting for Iraqi democracy, who often MISTAKENLY kill innocent people while trying to subdue the ultra-violent Sunni insurgency.

or

B/ The assorted Baathists & Islamofascist terrorists who are INTENTIONALLY slaughtering innocent Iraqis & foreigners, who want to restore Baathist/Islamist tyranny to Iraq.

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That really is a torrent of simplistic left-wing gargage.

Sweeping aside your follow-the-crowd anti-Americanism - now that Saddam has been toppled, who do you actually want to win in Iraq?

A/ The imperfect US-led coalition fighting for Iraqi democracy, who often MISTAKENLY kill innocent people while trying to subdue the ultra-violent Sunni insurgency.

or

B/ The assorted Baathists & Islamofascist terrorists who are INTENTIONALLY slaughtering innocent Iraqis & foreigners, who want to restore Baathist/Islamist tyranny to Iraq.


I think you must either be blind or stupid. I had always supported the gist behind the U.S. invasion of Iraq - ridding the country from being internally bled by Saddam and his administration.

However, this thread was about the U.S. soldiers killing and injuring innocent people when their job is to protect them, not another debate about whether the U.S. should've invaded Iraq or not.
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There has got to be more to the story

This might provide more insight into the incident..YOu make it seem that they shot at them reasonless?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
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that's horrible, how dare the US military shoot at a high speeding vehicle, zooming at a check point on a war zone. the stupidity amazes me.
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How incompetent can the so-called 'almighty' American military be? I feel terrible for the Italian secret agent and the journalist. The secret agent was just doing his job by rescuing an innocent Italian civilian and what does he get for his effort? A bullet sent straight through his body. And the journalist's moment of relief from having been saved from imminent decapitation was completely ruined by those very same idiots.

Thank you U.S. military for again making a huge mockery out of your intelligence and presence in Iraq
Get over yourself. It's obvious your dislike for America makes you completely irrational. First of all, while it is sad when people are kidnapped or killed, they knew they would be putting themselves in danger by going to a country at war or during a period of daily, violent insurgent acts. Secondly, the car the Italians were traveling in was obviously mistaken as one of these possible attacks. If the story is as reported, I don't blame the soldiers for shooting. Kill them before they kill you - makes sense to me.

From the CNN page:

According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)
U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others."
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i feel so sorry for both families.

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That really is a torrent of simplistic left-wing gargage.

Sweeping aside your follow-the-crowd anti-Americanism - now that Saddam has been toppled, who do you actually want to win in Iraq?

A/ The imperfect US-led coalition fighting for Iraqi democracy, who often MISTAKENLY kill innocent people while trying to subdue the ultra-violent Sunni insurgency.

or

B/ The assorted Baathists & Islamofascist terrorists who are INTENTIONALLY slaughtering innocent Iraqis & foreigners, who want to restore Baathist/Islamist tyranny to Iraq.
1-i could be wrong, but if remember correctly, the war in iraq was about some WMDs. the reasons for going to this war were completely without merit, now if some good comes out of it, thats grand, but saying that the USA went there to free the iraqis is horse shit.

2-are you saying that sending 1,500 americans to die in iraq and killing tens of thousands of iraqis is not "ultra-violent"?

3-there is plenty of f-up killings going on in china and parts of africa. much of it would make what you call "B" look like a night in paris!! why go to iraq and not to where the US would be needed most? what does iraq have that china and parts of africa does not?

4-its NEVER an either or, the US could go to Iraq "save" the iraq people and NOT kill the innocent, and NOT fuck shit up. (as iraq is pretty fucked right now)

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Get over yourself. It's obvious your dislike for America makes you completely irrational. First of all, while it is sad when people are kidnapped or killed, they knew they would be putting themselves in danger by going to a country at war or during a period of daily, violent insurgent acts. Secondly, the car the Italians were traveling in was obviously mistaken as one of these possible attacks. If the story is as reported, I don't blame the soldiers for shooting. Kill them before they kill you - makes sense to me.

From the CNN page:

According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)
U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others."
HI!

can you post the entire article or a link to it?

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How incompetent can the so-called 'almighty' American military be? I feel terrible for the Italian secret agent and the journalist. The secret agent was just doing his job by rescuing an innocent Italian civilian and what does he get for his effort? A bullet sent straight through his body. And the journalist's moment of relief from having been saved from imminent decapitation was completely ruined by those very same idiots.

Thank you U.S. military for again making a huge mockery out of your intelligence and presence in Iraq
dude, there arent any real details about what actually happened? (which is not to say that the US was justified in this incident, just that there aint no details)

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We have to understand what these guys are dealing with in this war, extreme pressure, they face death, loss of crew and friends.

Dont get me wrong, i think the death of the Italian was an appauling mistake!!

But we need to also understand that the person who shot the Italian, has also secured, protected and helped us out by securing cities, helping save innocent people and is helping us win this war!

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I'm sorry, but if a car was barreling towards my checkpoint and didn't stop with warnings and there had been countless suicide bombers killing my buddies in the same manner, I would have fired the shots too. The driver could have stopped and avoided the whole matter or the Italians could have gotten on the horn with the US and told them this car would be coming through. That said, I do really feel for the family of the guy killed and the others that were injured. No matter how it starts, war sucks and there are always unfortunate accidents like this.
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Thank you U.S. military for again making a huge mockery out of your intelligence and presence in Iraq
Go to the nearest Embassy, which will be Canberra, Melbourne, Perth or Sydney and barge your way past barriers, gates and law enforcement and thank the U.S. Marine personally for the US. Military for being incompetent. He will act very kindly to your gratitude.

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