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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 27th, 2005, 01:04 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation The price of hatred. 60 years on its time to remember.

Please note what follows is an EXTREMLY graphic portrail of the Holocaust sixty short years on on the eve of the liberation of its most synonomous killing machine. Auschwitz. This thread is meant only to let you reflect and remember and most importantly see and learn what hatred, ignorance, and turning a blind eye can do. This is not for any one remotely squeemish or any one of a young age. It is sure to test even the strongest of hearts. This is pure reality, no disney endings.

Perhaps many of you dont have holocaust museums where you are, so I hope this can bring the blunt reality closer to you in an effort to promote understanding and tolerance.

This crime was a direct result of these failures and it was comited by "ordinary" people to "ordinary" people, albeit just different from every one else. Let this be a lesson to be open minded and accept people who are different from you. And most importantly respect them.

This thread is not for political discusions, its simply for memorial on reflection on the delicacy and importance of life. And For the memorial of each of these human beings murdered simply for being them, not fitting in. For remembering that this happened only sixty short years ago in a modern and civilized society. For remembering what hatred and ignorance can lead to. . For remembering you are alive today. And most importantly for realizing that it can and does still happen. The Holocaust was not the first, it was not the last and unless people learn now from seeing an actually taking the human cost to heart it WILL happen again to someone, somewhere. Murder is murder and racism is racism.

Dont think of any of these individual human beings as just Jews, or homossexuals or Roma or any of the systematicaly murdered groups of people who the exact number of victems will never be known. Think of them as Human beings, who like you and I need air, water, food, light and sleep to live. Like you and I feel the pain of psysical torment in the flesh and the pain of emotional torment in the heart. Like you and I had dreams and goals and aspirations, aswell as acheivements, relationships and lives. Like you and I are mortal and who's life can be extinguised like the smallest of candle flames.

Take the time to stop and look at each image and say "What if that was me, right there, right then?" and "how?". Take the time to take it to heart, the pure evil human kind is capable of and the absolutely awful effects.

> Last warning of some horrible images. Also note may take some time.

Never forget. We forget, we repeat.

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 27th, 2005, 01:33 PM
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Thanks for this thread Oleh. If you dont mind, I would like to place the photos I am to take of the Shoah memorial opening in Paris today, in this thread? Please tell me if you have any objections, though I cant see why you would object. The memorial opened today at 3 oclock and is going to be very crowded - numerous schools are going there to see and learn and I am sure for the next several weeks it will be very crowded. But I believe I will have time to go tomorrow perhaps, and that way I can post some photos of what is to be probably the largest Holocaust memorial in Europe.
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I'm watching the commemoration ceremony in Auschwitz on TV. It's very moving....
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Its sad to know this happened to our ancestors. But some didnt give up and thats why our culture and our people are still here today.

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So sad what the human race can do...
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post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 28th, 2005, 07:16 AM
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the extremities of what mankind's capable of performing on a fellow human has never ceased to amaze me, both good and bad. this is a reminder of what mankind can do and will do again in future if hatred and more importantly, ignorance is deeply rooted in their hearts.
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I think in the same time we must also remember that we can help and do good. And often we do but when things like this happen we stand back and say "man what can I do theres just so many"..I remebered a Jewish story about saving life, its nice and simple and I thought id post it here:

The Starfish
There once was an old man who was walking along a seashore filled with starfish which had been washed ashore. Thousands and thousands of them lined the shore, struggling to make it back to the water in which they lived. A small boy who was walking toward the beach saw the old man throwing the starfish one by one back into the water.
In amazement the boy approached the man and said to him: "Excuse me sir, but there are thousands and thousands of starfish on this seashore! Do you think that you could possibly make a difference? It seems rather hopeless and most of them will surely die!"
The old man looked up as he threw another one back into the sea and said to the boy, "I made a difference to this one." He picked up another starfish and threw it in, "and to this one... and to this one. Imagine the difference we could make if instead of criticizing we would work together."
And together, the old man and the boy continued to return the starfish to the sea

It reminds me alot of Schindler and the "reightseous among nations" who just did what they could. The should be honored just as much for doing something at least and showing however little it seems in the big picture, it will be bigger than all the pictures for the person who is helped. My favorite saying is "He who saves one life is as if he saved the entire world". I think its just as important to remember we can do something.
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Looking at the last pic (the one at the gates) if you took away the Abeit Macht Frei sign, and the boomgate, it would look like a peaceful country mannor, when it is the place of the worst acts of genocide ever. A lot of the pics remind me of stuf from Bosnia, espicially those from Omaska


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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 28th, 2005, 12:34 PM
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Images such as this are neccessary to remind us of the hatred, perverseness and destruction that humankind is capable of.

As humans we have so much potential for good, yet "we" continue to cultivate hate and devastation.

One wonders if humankind will ever learn from our violent, hate filled, history???

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Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rachel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not. Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy. And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD , that thy children shall come again to their own border.


The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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post #12 of 15 (permalink) Old Feb 12th, 2005, 06:05 PM
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Two famous quotes spring to mind:

"The belief that there is only one truth, and that oneself is in possession of it, is the root of all evil in the world" - Max Born

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

There are some things from the past that should not (and cannot be allowed to be) forgotten, for the sake of all our futures.
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Rwanda and Kampuchea, and perhaps lately the Sudan, prove we haven't moved past this. All the more reason to force oursleves to gaze at, analyze, and be affected by the prospect of mass death raised (or perhaps lowered), to the level of a machine. This crime was committed by people indistinguishable from us, however repulsive that thought is.

The worst aspect of free will, ultimately is that there IS no level so low human beings won't sink to it.

Would that 'never again' had proven the reality.

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Not blind. Not uninformed. We are party to atrocities. But the response of the world after 9/11 is worth noting. Even our most dire enemies offered aid. We should all be so lucky.
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I can't express it in words...

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