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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 2004, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
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What's your stance on capital punishment?

I already made this thread, but I deleted it because I screwed up making the poll.

Anyway, I'm opposed to it, for reasons both religious (do we have the right to decide another human's fate like that?) and secular. (It makes no sense, like a mom hitting her kid for hitting his brother. It's basically saying killing is wrong, unless you're big and powerful enough.)

I'm interested to hear the reasons for people's opinions on this issue, and see if there's any correlation between this and their country's use of it. (I'm proud to live in a country that hasn't used it during my lifetime.)

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Edit: Okay, I screwed up again, so no poll. Please just say whether you oppose it or not, and whether or not your country uses it.

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As well as the two reasons Mariangelina gave, which of course I agree with, it's also a fact that no country has an infallible justice system, which makes executing innocent people inevitable, regardless of bolox like DNA testing. Fortunately we don't have it anymore (in Britain), and probably never will.
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live in texas...we're our own country, as it were.
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I'm against it myself - I can totally understand how victims and relatives of victims would be all for it, and if I were in their position I can't say with certainty that I wouldn't feel that same rage too. However, looking at it from a a more logical perspective than an emotional one, I also do not see many benefits to the choice. It costs an absolute fortune to keep them on death row (more than keeping them for life in prison), and it just seems too easy an ending. I'd rather they wake up every morning and have to look at themselves knowing what they did, and face up to what they did by seeing the life they have chosen for themselves.

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I don't support, simply coz most people who get cap. punishment, really deserved IMHO life sentence instead, coz I find it a lot worse to deal with. I'd rather get killed than spending my life in jail, so in a way, I think killing some criminals is something too good for them, which they don't deserve

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Actually I am in support of it within some strict guidlines.... Capital crimes only and an automatic appeal and a judicial review
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I'm against it. Consider well over a hundred people on death row in the USA alone have been exonerated AFTER being condemned to death in the last decade, we KNOW innocent people are killed by the state.

In a subsistence society with barely the means to support itself, life inprisonment may simply be too expensive. Every hand may be needed to raise food, and there's still starvation in winter. How COULD you then justify giving that food to violent felons? However, the USA is a LONG way from that.

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Against, But hey I dont mind paying 70,000 bucks out of tax payers money to keep a criminal rotting in jail.
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I'm against it. Consider well over a hundred people on death row in the USA alone have been exonerated AFTER being condemned to death in the last decade, we KNOW innocent people are killed by the state.

In a subsistence society with barely the means to support itself, life inprisonment may simply be too expensive. Every hand may be needed to raise food, and there's still starvation in winter. How COULD you then justify giving that food to violent felons? However, the USA is a LONG way from that.
This is a big reason why I want a vigirous appeal process and a judicial review process... to avoid this
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A country has to decide whether or not their legal system is a punishment system or a correctional system. It has and should be one or the other. In the United States it a correctional system to reform criminals and to put them back into society. With that as the base of our entire legal system, it can't really be right in my opinion.
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The cost of that is as expensive as keeping someone in jail for life.
Thats a large issue, then again here in NZ, they get everything in prison on a silver platter, TV's, Radio, Writing Equipment, it's Ludacrous.
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But how can we be 100% sure (and when I say 100%, it's 100%, not 99,9999999999%) it would never happen?

The cost of that is as expensive as keeping someone in jail for life.
Well, it is worth the cost to get it right..... if we cannot, than it is not worth doing
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I agree with you on that... Some people actually prefer to be in a prison instead of being outside. There's too much entertainment in prison, there shouldn't be anything else than books.
Exactly, Some Prisoners come out of prison better then going on, they find it much easier to live in prison then on the outside, so they re offend to be sentenced back there. Some like the Institution. Which is the total oppisite of what a Prison is, Your meant to come out of it not wanting to go back there, but since they get 3 course meals, A relativley simple but nice bed and even some of the lighter prisoners get radios, TV's even bloody Internet, I mean if you have all these luxuries as opposed what you did have in open society, who wants to go back out into it??

The Victorian Justice has it's merits, but it also has it's con's and it's only the countries corrections departments etc who can atleast modify to suit the needs and demands of society.
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I wish you were your own country. Then the United States might vote in a Democratic President sometime!
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Exactly, Some Prisoners come out of prison better then going on, they find it much easier to live in prison then on the outside, so they re offend to be sentenced back there. Some like the Institution. Which is the total oppisite of what a Prison is, Your meant to come out of it not wanting to go back there, but since they get 3 course meals, A relativley simple but nice bed and even some of the lighter prisoners get radios, TV's even bloody Internet, I mean if you have all these luxuries as opposed what you did have in open society, who wants to go back out into it??
99.9% of the people who are imprisoned.

YOu're missing the point. You life in prison is both REGULATED and LIMITED. You DON'T go play handball, or read a book whenever you want. You don't GET to go to the bookstore. You do NOT have privacy. You mail is read, your phone calls are listened in on. And of course, there is always the pleasant possibility of being raped.

Youdon't have a chance to 'earn a living'. You CAN'T move to a bigger house, or get a better car, or go to the beach. For sure you aren't going to meet somone, settle down and have a family. And while you can arrange to be alone, you can't control how long you're alone.

'Freedom' and 'Privacy' seem like mere abstractions, til you don;t have them and WON'T have them. There IS a tiny percent of the population so disturbed that having their life completely controlled by outsiders is preferable to having to make their own decisions. But outside of them, NOBODY wants to give up control of their life.

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