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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 2004, 12:50 AM Thread Starter
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British Nationals! Requesting the 'lowdown' on the BNP

The article below could be a crock. What's the word locally? I am also amazed, and pleased if true, that they actually arrest people for racism in England.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...DA50D6BF2D.htm
British extremist arrested for racism

Police arrested the leader of the far-right British National Party (BNP) after he was secretly filmed calling Islam "a wicked, vicious faith".

Tuesday 14 December 2004, 21:51 Makka Time, 18:51 GMT





Griffin described Islam as a "wicked, vicious faith"


The arrest of Nick Griffin on Tuesday, one-time host of French National Front leader Jean-Marie Le Pen, was warmly welcomed by Muslims, some of whom said the government should ban the BNP altogether.




Police arrested Griffin, 45, at his family farmhouse in Wales and took him to West Yorkshire, where officers are conducting a major probe into the activities of BNP members.

Griffin, later released on bail until next March, told reporters: "This is an electoral scam to get the Muslim block vote back for the (ruling) Labour Party."

Prime Minister Tony Blair's popularity plunged and his trust ratings plummeted after he took Britain to war in Iraq.

Racial hatred

Griffin's arrest came two days after police detained the party's 70-year-old founding chairman John Tyndall.

They have now arrested 12 people on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred since the investigation began five months ago. None has been charged.





Some British Muslims have called for the BNP to be banned


The police probe was triggered by a BBC documentary, broadcast in July, which included footage of Griffin giving a speech in the northern town of Keighley in which he railed against Islam and its holy book, the Quran.





"This wicked, vicious faith has expanded through a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago until it's now sweeping country after country," he said.

Other footage in "The Secret Agent" documentary - watched by some 4 million viewers - shows another BNP member expressing a wish to blow up mosques with a rocket launcher and machine-gun worshippers with "about a million bullets."

Another member told how he put dog faeces through an Asian shop's letterbox, while a third described how he beat up a Muslim man. "I'm kicking away...it was fantastic," he said.

Muslims welcome move

Muslims were jubilant at news of Griffin's arrest.

"At last!" said Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, which has long urged the government to outlaw the BNP. "This is extremely important."

"It should have been done long ago. There is no place in British society for the bigots of the BNP," he told Reuters.

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), the biggest lobby group for the country's 1.8 million Muslims, also welcomed the arrests, saying it hoped police would now press charges.

"The BNP has been trying to develop a more polished image and a more sophisticated discourse but the BBC documentary showed that behind that facade, the ugly reality is still the same," said MCB spokesman Inayat Bunglawala.

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The last sentence pretty much sums it up. I think most intelligent people realise that, but there are working class areas where there is a lot of racial tension, and the BNP has been able to get elected to local councils in those areas.

You can't specifically be arrested for 'racism' in Britain, the crime is 'inciting racial hatred', which means you have to be trying to encourage people to act on that racism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/s...373467,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4094275.stm
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He was arrested for inciting racial hatred, which is a public order offense, not just for being a racist. It can carry a penalty of up to two years in prison. They also arrested the BNP's founder, John Tyndall, and around 10 other BNP members, some of whom were charged with racially aggravated intentional harrassment.

The charges seems to be based on a speech Nick Griffin made where he called Islam amongst other things a "vicious, wicked faith", made remarks about the Koran, and stood by while other BNP members talked about committing hate crimes.

He claims he was only exercising his freedom of speech and speaking about the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism. But in the speech he also said what he was doing was illegal and challenged the police to come and arrest and prosecute him so he could become a martyr for the BNP cause. He has been convicted of inciting racial hatred before, back in 1998 when he was editor of The Rune, and received a 9 month prison sentence suspended for two years.

From what I have seen of the newspapers, a lot of people, obviously, are happy, but there have been questions about what constitutes freedom of speech and how much it should encompass the right to not be offened, and whether it is right to arrest the leader of a political party for stating his opinion when people, for whatever reason, have voted for him.
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there have been questions about what constitutes freedom of speech and how much it should encompass the right to not be offened, and whether it is right to arrest the leader of a political party for stating his opinion when people, for whatever reason, have voted for him.
I suppose I should temper my glee. What the government can do to one, it can do to anyone.

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Willow - Thanx for the links.

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The BNP had some kind of get-together a week or so ago and hired a DJ for the night... only "problem" was they didn't ask him his ethnicity before hand and he turned up and he was black. And most of them walked out...


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The BNP had some kind of get-together a week or so ago and hired a DJ for the night... only "problem" was they didn't ask him his ethnicity before hand and he turned up and he was black. And most of them walked out...


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That sums up who they are.

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The BNP are a tiny minority party in a national sense but do have pockets of support in a handful of towns...they are a far-right rabble consisting of Neo-Nazi scumbags basically.

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From what I have seen of the newspapers, a lot of people, obviously, are happy, but there have been questions about what constitutes freedom of speech and how much it should encompass the right to not be offened, and whether it is right to arrest the leader of a political party for stating his opinion when people, for whatever reason, have voted for him.
In this case, it is right.
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