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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old Nov 19th, 2004, 11:38 AM Thread Starter
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Investigators catch Volusia County election workers trying to discard poll tapes

The details are in this article: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm

and also at http://blackboxvoting.org

It seems the election officials tried to get around a FOIA request by providing a new printout instead of the original poll tapes. When directed to visit another site, the reporters showed up early the following morning, and caught them attempting to dispose of the poll tapes in the trash. After retreiving and examining the tapes, they discovered why. There were discpancies between the machine totals and those turned is as"official" results. Hundreds of votes on a single machine. This repeated throughout the county. Incorrect tallies. Far too many to be explained by error or glitch, especially as all favored Bush. There are 179 such machines in this county alone.

And the explanation they tried to give doesn't hold water. If it's a routine practice to discard poll tapes (??), why the cloak-and-dagger stuff? Why not just turn them over to Bev Harris and crew (as they requested), and save themselves the trouble of throwing them out?

If this isn't a smoking gun, it's certainly a stinking one.

Other articles of interest are:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-30.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1118-14.htm

The one on Ohio is particularly interesting. One woman's husband died while she was forced to wait hours in the voting line, due to an inadequate supply of machines in her precinct.
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Thank you.

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More on the Ohio mess:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=1249

It seems the shenanigans in Ohio weren't just dirty pool, and a blatant attempt to suppress voters, but also a violation of the constitution. As such, legal actions are being filed. It would be interesting to see what would happen if one of the Republican election officials faced prison time for such actions. Would he "take one for the team", or roll over?

And I must admit, this is the first I've heard of the LPOV.
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Democracy at work ?
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post #5 of 31 (permalink) Old Nov 22nd, 2004, 08:11 AM
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Guys, at some point, if these electronic voting machines are really that easy to rig, and there's as much voter fraud as the evidence suggests (NOT proves) we don't HAVE a democracy.

The kneejerk reaction is to say that's absurd, but objection analysis of the known facts makes it seem eerily likely.

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A couple of more articles of interest:

In this one, it seems the machines in Oklahoma started counting backwards-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4549

Here's an interesting one in which the author has uncovered the actual check used to pay off vote riggers in the U.S.-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4553

This is a followup to his earlier article-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4533
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This shit happens and no one cares, and it seems like there's nothing we can do to change it. No one wants these fucking electronic voting machines, yet we have them anyway. It seems no one wants Bush in office, yet he's there anyway. Fuck.

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This shit happens and no one cares, and it seems like there's nothing we can do to change it. No one wants these fucking electronic voting machines, yet we have them anyway. It seems no one wants Bush in office, yet he's there anyway. Fuck.

You don't say.. Meanwhile this fucking administration has the audacity to stick their big fat noses in the UKraine affairs.


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I don't understand why more people weren't up in arms. In the Ukraine people took to the streets because of discrepancies between exit polls and the actual results. Here, everyone just accepts the fact that the exit polls were wrong. Maybe the exit polls were right, and there was just mass voter fraud

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Cool Good, I knew I was right when I said sorry ass Kerry was going to win!!!

I hope this is all proven true.

Then what will Dems actually do?

Will they name names; actually put people in jail?

In most countries they're be quite a few "Poll workers" with "bullets in their heads" already.

Bottom line if the Democrats don't see this through and take out some people (meaning people go to jail and this shit is covered like "monica-gate") then I'm happy the Republicans are running the country. I'd rather have bad ass motherfuckers protecting my country than wishy washy whiners.

If all this shit just leads to "marches and Al Sharpton speeches"; then I say "the right guys are in the White House".

PS. We know that Dems cheat on election day too (see JFK and all the dead people who voted for him in Chicago courtesy of Sam Giancana and the Mafia)

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And even more comes to light. This chap goes so far as to name names:

http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/votefraud.html

He even includes a sample of the program he wrote to change the votes. Given the simplicity of the program, and the fact there were outside phone lines connected to the machines, and said machines were accessed remotely at least a couple of times, this debunks the theory that such a fraud would be too massive or complicated to pull off.

Another interesting tidbit is this one, supposedly from someone who worked for the RNC:

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html
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Here is an article in which Mr. Curtis has given a signed affadavit detailing his claims.
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4694

There's a link to a PDF file which supposedly contains copies of the papers (I can't read it with my browser).
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I have questioned for years and years whether we can really trust US election results. Bullshit bullshit i tell you. theres gotta be a better way.. Koodos to Brian for finding and posting this one.
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I can't tell you if his code is any good, because I haven't analyzed it yet. However, I CAN tell you the concept is sound. I wrote programs for insurance companies with similar features. You could query and change the database by using invisble buttons. (Of course, that was simply a testing function. Your insurnace company would NEVER allow data to be changed in such an illicit manner. It's fraud.)

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Uh oh. It looks like Mr. Blackwell, in his haste to hinder investigation into possible election fraud, has himself committed election fraud:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4755

Oopsie.
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