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racism doesn't exist...

FA puts racism complaint to Uefa

Spain U21 1-0 England U21
The Football Association has lodged a written complaint with Uefa over racist abuse aimed at England Under-21 players during Tuesday's 1-0 defeat in Spain.
Strikers Carlton Cole and Darren Bent were subjected to monkey chants during the first half, with Glen Johnson later receiving the same treatment.

"I thought I heard something in the first half - it was disappointing," said U21s manager Peter Taylor.

"It happened when Carlton was running through towards the Spanish goal."

The actions of the fans could not have been more ill-timed after the controversy surrounding senior Spanish coach Luis Aragones.

He allegedly made racist remarks in October about Thierry Henry ahead of Spain's game with France.

Aragones claimed he was trying to motivate Henry's Arsenal team-mate Jose Reyes in training.

He has not made a personal apology to Henry, although the Spanish Football Federation apologised formally to Arsenal.

"I can't say if it's a reply to what I could have said or not but, in my opinion, racism is a question of conscience and I have my conscience clear," Aragones added.

England players wore 'Kick Racism Out of Football' T-shirts at Tuesday's training session, ahead of Wednesday's senior international with the Spanish in Madrid.

Meanwhile, organisers of the London 2012 Olympic bid are unhappy over plans to promote Madrid's rival campaign during the game.

Assurances were given that the Bernabeu stadium would not be used to promote the Spanish capital's bid.

But the Madrid campaign has now bought pitchside advertising space.

London 2012 communications director Mike Lee said: "In our view, it may be within the letter of the rules but not the spirit."

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nice action by the English senior team
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Aragonés attacks English 'wolves'

Daniel Taylor in Madrid
Wednesday November 17, 2004
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Luis Aragonés, Spain's coach, last night risked further condemnation with a wholly inadequate attempt to repair the damage caused by his alleged description of Thierry Henry as a "black shit".


In remarkable scenes at his pre-match press conference, Aragonés railed against allegations of racism before turning on his inquisitors in the English media.

"You are kids compared to me. You don't know anything whereas I am nearly 70," he said. "I know who are the racists. I remember the colonies. I have a lot of black friends and I have fed black people at my table, in my house. They have explained to me that the English were after them in the colonies.

"I repeat: I have a lot of black friends and I am a citizen of the world. In my job I have been to many countries, I always respect different cultures and I have many friends from different places. I cannot understand the reaction to what I said."

England's players wore T-shirts bearing the anti-racism messsage in training for tonight's friendly. Meanwhile Aragonés angrily declared he had no reason to apologise personally to Henry after being captured on television making his remark about the Arsenal striker while remonstrating with José Antonio Reyes during a practice match last month. "I have said sorry in public. We have got friends in common and the boy [Henry] doesn't want me to say sorry again. He knows exactly what it is to motivate a player and that my comments were taken out of context.


"He has spoken with Reyes in England and he knows that I respect him like any other black man, like Samuel Eto'o and Finidi George and all my other black friends. It's history."

The Spanish media appear bemused by the furore Aragonés's words have caused. Most of their criticism has been directed at the English media. The presenter of TVE, the state channel, told viewers last night: "The British press have looked to cause a storm, to heat up the game. They were determined to get Aragonés - and they've succeeded."

Aragonés adopted this argument for his own benefit. "I am not a racist but you will write what you want," he told the English contingent at the stormy press conference. "You are like wolves after a deer.

"For me, racism is a matter of conscience and my conscience is clear. If your conscience is not clear then you have to consider whether you are racist or not. I am not and lots of black people have told me that. What about you?"

One English reporter replied: "Mine is clear."
Aragonés said: "I doubt it."
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If you call someone who is black a 'black shit' (I haven't seen the interview, so I don't know if he said this or not), then you are racist. And yes, that makes Aragones an arsehole. What is he complaining about?

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the Spanish senior team is doing it too. unbelievable Eriksson should just pull his boys off the pitch. they shouldn't have to go through that.
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Fucking terrible

Doesn't help Spain's manager is racist

And people go on about how terrible the English crowd is just need to watch this match to make them shut the fuck up
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They'll find a way of blaming the English, Fifa always do

The people who did this should be roasted alive - starting with Senor Aragones
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Why is it in football racism is a problem? Maybe it is just like other sports where players will be bashed and hounded but I thought especially because it is the global sport that more respect would be given to players no matter where they play. These racist calls are really surprising to me.
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Haha that "white shit" is cracking me up. `Hey I'm not racist I've had 3 blacks over at my house. I even spoke to Finidi and Eto'o once`.

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As a Man City fan, I have been waiting eagerly for Shaun Wright-Phillips to get his England breakthrough, to play on the biggest stage, he is a hugely exciting prospect...for him to get the treatment he had last night is just disgraceful, unbelieveable in this day and age...

In England I think we have made a fair measure of progress in such things in recent years, such incidents are rarer here now, though there is still much to do...Spain and some other countries need to take the issue far more seriously, and need to be punished by UEFA, not merely with a fine and a slap on the wrists, but be made to play some home matches behind closed doors.

It doesn't help when the coach is allowed to make racist comments and get away with it.

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Racist Europeans?


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Seems the Spanish media is in denial of the truth...





MADRID, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Spanish media and football authorities glossed over racist chanting that marred Wednesday's friendly between Spain and England and accused their English counterparts of mounting a witch-hunt against them.

Spain won the friendly at the Bernabeu with a determined and stylish performance, the only goal of the game coming from a ninth minute header from Athletic Bilbao defender Asier del Horno. But the game was marred by continual monkey noises directed at visiting black players and by a regular chorus of "If you are not f**king black jump up and down" sung by large sections of the 55,000 crowd



After the game the Spanish Federation's press officer Fernando Garrido refused to permit any questions about the incidents, saying that some of the blame for the incident lay with English reporters.

"Were there racist chants against some players? This hasn't happened in the Spanish league and Spain for many years," he said. "So you (English reporters) should ask yourselves what you have done to contribute to all this."



ANGRY DEFENCE

The runup to the match was marked by controversy involving coach Luis Aragones, who mounted an angry defence of his recent comments about Thierry Henry in which he had referred to the Arsenal and France striker as "that black shit" during a Spanish training session last month.

Aragones refused to comment on the chanting by the crowd, saying he was only prepared to answer questions on his team's performance.

"I've always said my conscience is clear and I only want to talk about football," he said.

A 10-minute anti-racist video was shown before the match on the stadium's big screens and the two teams lined up behind a banner bearing the slogan "All united against racism in football".

But the atmosphere soured as soon as the game started with Ashley Cole and later substitute Shaun Wright-Phillips greeted by monkey noises every time they touched the ball.

Spanish daily ABC made little comment about the racist abuse by the crowd but accused English reporters of mounting an orchestrated campaign against Aragones.

"The English media continued their witch-hunt against the Spanish coach over the issue of racism. The reporters took advantage of the post-match press conference to deepen the wound that had been opened before the game. The darts were coated with poison.

"The response of the Spanish Federation press office did not satisfy the English, perhaps it was because their team had played so poorly and they wanted to divert attention towards this muddled issue."

Spanish radio station Radio Marca also blamed the English FA for stirring up the issue of racism, saying that their complaint about racist abuse in Tuesday's under-21 international between Spain and England at Alcala de Henares was completely unfounded.

They also pointed the finger at England players, and Wayne Rooney in particular, for their heavy handed challenges during the game.

"It's all lies," said Marca reporter Miguel Angel Mendez, who was at the under-21 match.

"One thing is that we have a coach who gets carried away occasionally and another ... is when people try to organise a campaign to call us all racists. "Yes, there were insults of course, but not for being black, white, green or blue."

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The scenes throughout last night's match towards both Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips were absolutely pathetic. What the hell were the Spanish crowd thinking? It was the loudest I've ever heard that type of thing and I have to say that I'm staggered. FIFA should throw everything they can at them but they probably won't. Knowing Sepp Blatter, he'll probably turn it round so that it was the English that were in the wrong and our players were provoking them or some total bullshit like that!

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Racist Europeans?
Europe is no different, just look at Belgium.

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